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Tiger
14th February 2010, 09:46 PM
I have a new neighbour who I think has a problem with my lathe. The other night I was turning something at around 9 pm when I hear bang, bang, bang on my garage, by the time I got out to see what it was, there was no-one around. I didn't think it was that loud but the dust extractor does make a bit of noise when turned on. I do hear muttering from his place when I turn the lathe on and that's during the day.

So what time do you use your lathe and have you had any problem with neighbours with it?

tea lady
14th February 2010, 10:03 PM
:C I'm luck in that my neighbours are a bit away from me so can't hear. The dust extractor is prolly more noisy than the lathe though. :shrug: Maybe you need to ask him what he can hear? :C Lend him a few tools so he can't complain? :D

corbs
14th February 2010, 10:12 PM
I have good neighbours on the shed side and have turned until 9pm but generally I only do quiet stuff (marking out, hand sanding and finishing) after 7pm. Personally I wouldn't be running my dusty after 7pm though, they're noisy buggers.

Groggy
14th February 2010, 10:13 PM
I reckon he can 'hear' the low frequencies - rumbles from the lathe through the concrete or walls. Also the dust extractor would be loud at 9pm. I rarely use mine past 7pm due to the noise.

Sturdee
14th February 2010, 10:32 PM
From the EPA website the listed times for Residential noise – prohibited times for noise from an electric power tool, chain or circular saw, gas or air compressor, pneumatic power tool, hammer and any other impacting tool or grinding equipment are - Monday to Friday: before 7am and after 8pm. & Weekends and public holidays: before 9am and after 8pm.

So you can safely work until 8.00pm after that you are taking a risk.


Peter.

China
14th February 2010, 11:08 PM
I work to midnight often but then my dust extractor is in a very expensive sound reducing enclosure

Daddy3x
15th February 2010, 03:45 AM
Shop is on the basement, so no worries as everyone is on the second floor!

Ed Reiss
15th February 2010, 06:27 AM
three in the morning...since I didn't get a chrissy card from the neighbor:q:D:D:D:D:D

orraloon
15th February 2010, 11:32 AM
I dont usually turn late but when the neighbours moved in I gave them a couple of bowls as a xmas pressie and said I hope the shed noises have not been a bother. They assured me everything was sweet and happily accepted the gift.
Real noisey things like the table saw and thicknesser I would never run after about 5pm
Regards
John

NeilS
15th February 2010, 11:37 AM
Previous thread on this topic here (http://www.woodworkforums.com/f11/noise-complaints-neighbour-68077/)

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patrick m stein
15th February 2010, 01:17 PM
hello all



I tend to turn everyday after my day job so during the week no later than 11pm.on the weekends sometime 2or3am depends on if i get tired or not .no worries about neighbors they live far enough away that i dont disturb them. at least no one has complained in four years now.:roll:

rsser
15th February 2010, 01:57 PM
Yeah, my dusty makes the noise so I keep it to a min later at night.

Good rel'ships with the neighbours shld be built first if you can. You have some work to do I'm afraid Tiger.

Wongdai
15th February 2010, 03:18 PM
My wife won't let me make any noise in the shed past 7:30pm weekdays. Just as well I am turning to the dark side. :)

rsser
15th February 2010, 03:35 PM
What, sleep? :D

Reece
15th February 2010, 04:43 PM
about 8-30 to 9 for me, but i don't have a shed, just a back verandah. and no dust extractor, just a nice breeze clearing dust away. also have great neighbours on one side and neighbours that keep to themselves on the other side.

Ozkaban
15th February 2010, 05:44 PM
I have no dramas with the lathe at any hour. it used to be situated outside my daughters bedroom window (then under 2 y.o.). I could turn during her daytime sleep without waking her up... As for the dusty, I'd find a way of turning without it on, such as putting up with the chips and saving sanding for the next day.

Cheers,
Dave

TP1
15th February 2010, 05:45 PM
Personally I don't do anything noisy beyond around 8, except for a quick cut on the saw. It sounds like the issue with you and your neighbour is more about the proximity of the work and the ease in which teh noise gets into his place.

I would try a few things like trying to change the positioning of the dusty and whether closing teh shed door may help.

One thing that seems to be forgotten about dust extractors on this forum is that 1hp units are very quiet and wouldn't upset anyone. We don't really need Cyclone Tracy strength every time we do woodwork and perhaps a quiet dusty for quieter times may not be a bad idea.

tea lady
15th February 2010, 06:15 PM
:think: If you can hear him muttering he can prolly hear you quite well too? :shrug:

Wayne Blanch
15th February 2010, 06:15 PM
I've been known to use the lathe till the early hours, I often go till after 11pm but I don't use a dusty so the noise is minimal. My daughters bedroom is beside the shed and she hasn't complained since I got a new (quieter) lathe.:U

Enfield Guy
15th February 2010, 07:09 PM
I keep my machine work to between the hours of 9 am and 3 pm. Never had a complaint from the neighbours and woudn't expect one. I do quiet work after and before those times. The lathe doesn't make much noise. If I want to work late I close the doors and keep the dusty off.

Wood Borer
15th February 2010, 09:24 PM
I don't have a lathe but I use all my tools and machines at all hours whether it be at 4AM before I go to bed or at 4AM if I get up early. Even tune up my chainsaw at all hours - no problems at all.

SWMBO can't even hear any noise from the house but then that is 100m from the shed with an excellent sound barrier of trees and scrub in between.

Glad we made the move to the bush because stories like these bring back the nightmares living in the city.:o

Sturdee
15th February 2010, 10:22 PM
Glad we made the move to the bush because stories like these bring back the nightmares living in the city.:o

The nightmare only arises if your shed is not adequately sited in relation to your neighbours and not soundproofed. I can have the DC, lathe and aircompressor running and my next door neighbour can't hear it because the workshop is soundproofed.

A bit of effort but worth it.


Peter.

nz_carver
15th February 2010, 11:39 PM
Hey all we I play in man land till all hrs

Im in a complex I have 35 people aboue my work shop:U

most of them love my work:2tsup:
and one comes down at all hrs to see me as hes a nite walker like me:;

if you give people 1st dibs on bowls you sell thay let you away with it

if you help them out with a last min gift thay love you:2tsup:

it helps when some one like me is down in the shop at all hrs keeping a eye out
as have had a lot of car brake ins

I_wanna_Shed
15th February 2010, 11:50 PM
Like someone has said, a 1HP dusty is pretty quiet. Once the shed door is rolled down, you can hardly hear it outside the shed, even in the still of the night.

rodney
16th February 2010, 11:44 AM
The nightmare only arises if your shed is not adequately sited in relation to your neighbours and not soundproofed. I can have the DC, lathe and aircompressor running and my next door neighbour can't hear it because the workshop is soundproofed.

A bit of effort but worth it.


Peter.

I am currently building a timber framed shed and am trying to figure out how to sound proof the building, so far will be insulating the walls with air-cell and batts (external walls are cedar cladding), still deciding on if to use a double layer of gyprock on the inside.

The guy at the ceiling suppliers recommends using a perforated metal strip product on the ceiling with insulation over this as I need to somehow stop the noise from going out of the ceiling space.

My neighbors are real close, we live on a small block that is 420 metres square, the shire approved the shed with a stack of conditions, the noise being one of them.

Cheers
Rodney

rsser
16th February 2010, 11:49 AM
We need heat insulation obviously but I'm told that noise insulation products are diff

NeilS
16th February 2010, 03:15 PM
....still deciding on if to use a double layer of gyprock on the inside.

The guy at the ceiling suppliers recommends using a perforated metal strip product on the ceiling with insulation over this as I need to somehow stop the noise from going out of the ceiling space.



Planning to use both on my new workshop, Rodney. So will be interested to hear how they go if you proceed with either.

Do you have a decibel metre to measure the before and after levels? Could lend you mine for the before and after readings if that would help, but reckon you probably need your own if you are likely to be doing battle with the Local Gov inspector.

Also thinking of using the green glue between the two sheets of plasterboard.

I'm 80m from nearest neighbour, but don't want to spoil the peace and quiet of the valley.

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NeilS
16th February 2010, 03:47 PM
We need heat insulation obviously but I'm told that noise insulation products are diff

Yes, Ern.

You select for the desired acoustic rating (STC) and then top up from there with thermal insulation if necessary to get the necessary thermal (R) rating. e.g.:

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Lumber Bunker
16th February 2010, 04:22 PM
go till 8 and give them a few bowls and odds and ends now and then and you'll be fine... unless they really have nothing to do then nothing will stop them complaining.
Wait till you fire up the thicknesser! even at lunch time, that's not nice.

In the past i have found that transparency and communication and honesty are the winning combination. Invite them in, a beer and chat. after that, if they start knocking and running there is little you can do... they have rocks in their heads.

idahohay
19th February 2010, 12:35 AM
I am a woodturner in a resort town in the US. The area is considered rural and properties are an acre or larger. I have a neighbor that works on jet skis, and four wheelers at night when I am trying to sleep. sometimes he works all night long. I only wish my lathe and dust collector were louder and have considered putting a microphone near my lathe and pointing a couple of Marshall stacks in his direction. At least I try to do my chain saw work and run my sawmill at 10am when I figure he is doing his deepest sleep.

How many of you like to have a few drinks, then do some turning. I kind of like that sort of thing but know others that won't go near a lathe after having a few.

TP1
19th February 2010, 01:52 AM
.

How many of you like to have a few drinks, then do some turning. I kind of like that sort of thing but know others that won't go near a lathe after having a few.

After a few drinks I'm spinning rather than turning

NeilS
19th February 2010, 09:02 AM
How many of you like to have a few drinks, then do some turning. I kind of like that sort of thing but know others that won't go near a lathe after having a few.

Only when I think I can do without a few fingers or don't mind losing an eye from an fumbled tool or an inadequately secured blank.....:missing:

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munruben
19th February 2010, 10:09 AM
I don't have problems with the neighbours, being on an acre and I don't use the dust extractor if it is late. I certainly wouldn't use any of my equipment if I was under the influence.

hughie
19th February 2010, 11:38 PM
To date noise has never been a problem. But it might be with the new shed as it will out of gal sheeting ie ColourBond and the dusty will need some attention as well I fear.

Paul39
22nd February 2010, 02:17 PM
For sound proofing, do a Google search on constructing a sound studio.

Some years ago I watched a studio being built in a radio station. Two 100mm walls were framed with 100mm between. Gypsum wall board screwed to metal Z strips on both sides with the inside filled with fiberglass insulation. Doors were double solid wood with a foam rubber break between the frames and a closed cell foam gasket all around each door. Ceiling was gypsum on Z strips and insulation in cavities above.

As a test several people yelled at the top of their voices and beat on drums in the hallway outside the studio. It was completely silent inside.

Construction books have sections on isolating noise in apartment buildings.

NeilS
22nd February 2010, 09:54 PM
Some years ago I watched a studio being built in a radio station. Two 100mm walls were framed with 100mm between. Gypsum wall board screwed to metal Z strips on both sides with the inside filled with fiberglass insulation. Doors were double solid wood with a foam rubber break between the frames and a closed cell foam gasket all around each door. Ceiling was gypsum on Z strips and insulation in cavities above.

As a test several people yelled at the top of their voices and beat on drums in the hallway outside the studio. It was completely silent inside.

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Interesting report, Paul.

Even a partial application of those measures must be beneficial in getting the noise level down to a neighbour friendly level.

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tea lady
22nd February 2010, 10:35 PM
New Scientist had an interesting artical about some thin sound reducing tiles.

Latex could silence noisy neighbours - 17 February 2010 - New Scientist (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527485.400-latex-could-silence-noisy-neighbours.html)

I don't think its quite available in Bunnings yet. :doh: :rolleyes:

TP1
22nd February 2010, 10:47 PM
Don't forget windows. Double glazing works wonders but if the wall is wide enough, installing 2 windows ( with 2 panes of glass) is a cheaper option. I have seen this done and the noise reduction was remarkable.

Bebbo
23rd February 2010, 05:31 AM
I get home from training most nights at 8:30pm. And im up at 5-5:30 am every morning.

If they make noise after 9pm id crack the #####. The odd one every now and then i can understand. But if they made it regular id be asking them to think otherwise.

NeilS
23rd February 2010, 08:54 AM
Don't forget windows. Double glazing works wonders but if the wall is wide enough, installing 2 windows ( with 2 panes of glass) is a cheaper option. I have seen this done and the noise reduction was remarkable.

Retrofitting an existing single pane of glass with a second pane of clear view plastic is also quite effective. A gap of least 100mm between the two panes improves the performance. Having two different pane materials dampens different parts of the frequency range.

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hughie
24th February 2010, 10:11 PM
Retrofitting an existing single pane of glass with a second pane of clear view plastic is also quite effective. A gap of least 100mm between the two panes improves the performance. Having two different pane materials dampens different parts of the frequency range.


darn good idea. :2tsup:

ozmandus
25th February 2010, 04:25 AM
Here in Tennessee I live 7 miles out of town and the closest neighbor is about 100 yards up the hill behind my house... his driveway runs up the hill just behind my shop. I've asked them if they hear my lathe or DC, but both have said no... even though my DC is in a separate shed on their end of the shop. I don't turn very late at night though... the shop is about 20 yards behind the house and after dark unless there's a moon, you will need a beacon to get back to the house...have to be careful of the boogey man or bears out here.

Reece
25th February 2010, 09:29 AM
New Scientist had an interesting artical about some thin sound reducing tiles.

Latex could silence noisy neighbours - 17 February 2010 - New Scientist (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527485.400-latex-could-silence-noisy-neighbours.html)

I don't think its quite available in Bunnings yet. :doh: :rolleyes:

Latex has probably been responsible for making neighbours noisier in the past too. I know it was in my uni days...

But that has nothing to do with this topic...

i went to a place once that had (what looked like) expanda foam sprayed on all the walls for sound insulation.

NeilS
25th February 2010, 09:31 AM
...have to be careful of the boogey man or bears out here.




That's a couple of workshop safety risks I hadn't thought about.......:U

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greybeard
25th February 2010, 10:00 AM
Hi All
Noise is not a problem for me as shed is 100+ meters from house, made of concrete blocks filled with expander foam ( like a bomb shelter!) :rolleyes::spyme:
Also nearest neighbour is 1 KM away and I cannot hear his sawmill at any time.