Hefty Roughing Gouge

[Paul39]

One of my favorite "dens of iniquity", Klingspor's opened a store close by. The closest has been 90 miles east of here. I went to have a look today and saw this:

http://www.hartvilletool.com/product/7144/turning-gouges

https://www.woodworkingshop.com/webimages/ei_cs34160.jpg

For those who like to hog off lots of material and have powerful lathes, this would keep from breaking the forged roughing gouge at the tang. This one is made from 3/4 inch round bar.

It is a good stout tool with a stout price. I do very little spindle work and have been using a 5/8 inch bowl gouge or a big home made bedan for roughing.

I don't much like metal handles as I think they transmit more vibration and shock than the wooden.

I looked for a review of the above and found nothing.

Have any of these made it to AU? Anyone tried one?

[jay h]

Hi Paul, a really solid looking tool there! I haven't heard of or seen any in Oz. My roughing gouge of choice is a 32mm / 11/4" P+N. also a gouge machined from round stock which is machined down to a 13mm tang, still very solid and a much better price considering our dollar and shipping. Not Cobalt steel but still very very good. Jay

[artme]

Nice looking tool!!!


Whenyagunnagetwun??

[Mobyturns]

P&N have been making them for years.

[Paul39]

Nice looking tool!!!


Whenyagunnagetwun??

Two days after hell freezes over.

[Paul39]

P&N have been making them for years.

They have a good range of tools:

http://www.tymba.com/tools.htm

http://www.tymba.com/pdf/PN_Woodturning_Tools_Bro.pdf

I have not seen a P & N tool, but I find them sold here by several companies, one by mail order just down the mountain from me.

http://www.packardwoodworks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=tools-pn

I did notice that the roughing gouges were necked down to go into the handle. I don't expect that would make much difference as in use there would be very little overhang past the tool rest.

[Mobyturns]

They have a good range of tools:

http://www.tymba.com/tools.htm

http://www.tymba.com/pdf/PN_Woodturning_Tools_Bro.pdf

I have not seen a P & N tool, but I find them sold here by several companies, one by mail order just down the mountain from me.

http://www.packardwoodworks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=tools-pn

I did notice that the roughing gouges were necked down to go into the handle. I don't expect that would make much difference as in use there would be very little overhang past the tool rest.

Paul,

I have a few P&N tools & I would have had a lot more if I knew about them when I started off buying tools. Mostly only Hamlet, Robert Sorby, Crown & Henry Taylor were available from the suppliers we dealt with then. The 25mm P&N SRG is a work horse, & is my preferred SRG by far.

All tools have some design or manufacturing compromises made and I would say the necking down to 12 mm was done for practicality in use and to reduce weight. Pretty impractical and difficult fitting a 25 mm round tang into a useable handle plus the weight of the tool would become quite tiring after a while. In the second link below Lyn Mangiameli raises a good point about asking for the tang to be manufactured to 12.5 or 13 mm for the US market.

I have seen several tanged SRG's severely bent or broken in use and have even seen a 5/8 bowl gouge loose some 50 mm (2") from the tip, but mostly these events were from incorrect technique. I don't think I will ever see a P&N SRG broken perhaps bent but I don't think I would like to see the aftermath of that event. Re-straightening a bent tang on a damaged SRG is not advisable as the tool steel will be weakened and far more likely to break in another similar event.

These two articles may be helpful for others about the uses and limitations of SRG's (spindle roughing gouges).

http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.woodturner.org/resource/resmgr/fundamentals/guidetogouges.pdf
http://www.morewoodturningmagazine.com/articles/pn%20tools.pdf

[powderpost]

I have seen several tanged SRG's severely bent or broken in use and have even seen a 5/8 bowl gouge loose some 50 mm (2") from the tip, but mostly these events were from incorrect technique. I don't think I will ever see a P&N SRG broken perhaps bent but I don't think I would like to see the aftermath of that event.

People that can do this really scare the heeby geezez out of me.

[hughie]

Paul, They certainly look the business, the handle is not too my liking either. What interests me is the cobalt M24 HSS I have always thought M24 would make an excellent cutting tool steel. I some M24 tool steel from my metal turning days, it holds an edge very well, edge holding is what its all about for me.

Although I do have a couple of metal handles they are covered with vinyl foam and work quite well.
Like most folks I have a variety of brands including P&N. Many years ago I bent my 5/16 P&N gouge with a decent catch, still have it after straightening it out, its still got a bit of kink in it. :D

I will probably be labeled a heretic here. But my couple P&N's perform well, but comparable to some of the other brands I have. I really don't have a standout gouge in terms of this brand over that brand.

[chuck1]

I've got the big shallow flute p&n 1 and 3/4 inch? And it's bent from new. I'm not sure if the still make them bought it by chance, not my wisest purchase.
You can stop a lathe with it though!