Funny chisels

[Bit Chiseller]

Hi

Some joker is selling this on eBay - has anybody tried this before? Looks like a good idea.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2346326494&category=3132

Please use your collective wisdom to save an ignorant peasant who is about to spend some money

[ozwinner]

Hi
They look like washers to me, this is from a A$500 rip off victim from ebay.
Never again, I will burn in hell ( which is most likely) before I buy off ebay again.
Happy bidding, Allan:mad:

[Bit Chiseller]

Ah yes, eBay...where your money goes, nobody knows

I have only one experience (to date) buying something small (from a Brit) which arrived promptly.

What I really want to know is if the concept has been around before - mounting carbide cutters (meant for cutting steel) on a handle to turn them into woodworking chisels. If there is no knowlege of this, I am willing to be the guinea pig.

[Bit Chiseller]

I grovel in the face of your wisdom.

Thank you for saving me from a fate worse than death.

[Jim Carroll]

As indicated in his speil you require high speed for tungsten carbide. This can be a bit unsafe considering timber with all its knots and wavy grain can be very unstable at high speed. Stick to the right tools to do the job right and safely the first time.

[Zed]

I used to be a trainee prothesist (artificial arms and legs) and we had this nasty bit of machinary that we used to hollow out wood blanks that firebglass stump mouldings would be seated in so that the patient could try a wooden mockup of thier future leg/arm for size/comfort etc prior to the expense of finishing the job in fibreglass.

anyway this evil machine was sorta like a one armed egg beater. the arm was about 3 ft long and spun at about 2000rpm and had similar gouges as shown on that ebay sight. the theory was that you could take off miniscule bits of wood from the cavity that the stump moulding would sit in and thus fit the wood to the patients needs.

this evil machine was razor sharp and farging dangerous but incredibly fun to use! my point i suppose is that those types of tools do work in the right application - the difference being that in the case of turning wood the wood turns on the lathe as opposed to the tool turning on a shaft - this is what made the machine dangerous - the tools spinning at 2000 rpm going through mainly soft pine (weight considerations for the patient) could be quite nasty in a slippage - when you consider that the wood was ALWAYS hand held.

but again a truly awesome beast.

[Bit Chiseller]

Gatiep.....that sounds a bit far from home.....are you perhaps from Namakwaland?

[Jeff]

looks pretty sketchy to me, and I'm willing to try nearly anything once! Maybe if somebody gave them to me, I might try to find a way to put some kind of usefull tip on whatever the handles are.... so, ignorant peasant, spend the coin on something else...a cold brew perhaps!

[gatiep]

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[gatiep]

Bit Chisseller


Guess you can say so....actually originally from Natal.

Those washer like tools that you refer to are not so out of the ordinary. The steel tips are the same material that is used on some router bits.
The idea of replaceable tips is common place with deep hollowing tools: Refer to Timbecon page 93 "Crown Multitip scraper", page 94 "Beaver Deep Hollowing Tools". Carbatec pages 184/5, "Nikos Sirigas Shear Scraper tips", "Hamlet Deep Hollowing Tool", "deep Hollowing Scraper System" and the "Rolly Munro Articulated Hollowing Tool".
Reading the sellers advert he says that the material is used in high speed steel cutting AND that it could be used in woodturning, turning at high speeds as the heat doesn't affect the tool tips. He doesn't say that it can only be used at high speed! So I do not see where the danger factor comes in, unless the turner is an absolute moron to turn at excessive speeds.
So as some others have noted.....nothing new.....perhaps the price is tho! Having to send the tip away for sharpening puts it right out of contention as far as I am concerned. Another point to consider is that these tools are undoubtably scrapers. I guess that HSS or the new mettallurgic wonders offered by the turning tool makers which last 4 to 6 times longer, still get my vote!
Happy turning.................Have fun.

[DavidG]

Retail $34 US ea
Additional Carbide tips $3 US plus postage
http://www.thingswestern.com/generic22.html

[kenmil]

Originally posted by ozwinner
Hi
They look like washers to me, this is from a A$500 rip off victim from ebay.
Never again, I will burn in hell ( which is most likely) before I buy off ebay again.
Happy bidding, Allan:mad:

Allan,

Did you report it to eBay, as they have a security system which will allow you to claim some compensation. I have completed 128 transactions on eBay, both buying and selling, with only one problem. You do need to be careful who you deal with, but generally speaking it is quite safe.

The perpetrator of my rip-off is soon to face the courts in Tasmania, and was convinced by the investigating detective that making full restoration would be a useful thing to do, so I got my money back and the little terd will get his just desserts.

[ozwinner]

Hi Ken
Yep reported the person to ebay who just shrugged of the claim.
I used to sell as well, had a rateing of 150'ish I think.
The seller who ripped me was a POWER SELLER, so ebay had no time for me. They get more money from their POWER SELLERS, than from the likes of you and me.
Incedently the seller was from Melbourne, all the overseas people I delt with were the best.
When I protested, they banned me for life, so ebay can go get.................well you get it.:eek:
Cheers, Allan