Mounting Systems!

[BANNED]

Hi everyone,
The subject of safe/unsafe, effective/ ineffective mounting systems and techniques, has been approach in previous threads, but all very fragmented and near impossible to refer to with some sort of accuracy, as information was then mainly given in response to other related subjects.

The intention is to get everyone talking and discussing this topic in one place. It will also be of great benefit, to all new turners and those not so experience ones, to obtain information, advice and tips, on one of the most difficult and complexed step on the topic of correct and safe wood lathe mounting techniques and specialised tools.

I believe, this is when you pro's can provide your most valued contribution, by supplying the examples (plenty of clear pics) and the corresponding explanation for the correct mounting procedures and tools of the most common items built in a wood lathe (bowls, vases, plates, vessels, etc., etc.).

On the other hand, we all (less experienced) could also use this thread to present your examples of how we do it, and request any information on possible refinement or technique change, without been concern in having their heads chopped off, by some less tolerant and degrading fellow forum members.

So, lets all pull together in one direction, and help others with this very important subject to everyone. C'mon pro's, lets see what you are made off? (IN THE POSITIVE WAY, OFF-COURSE).:2tsup:

Cheers
GV

[rsser]

I did a post a while ago of a chucking guide. Won't answer all your needs but will do some.

Have you done a search?
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[BANNED]

As explained on my thread, searches do not work well for me, nor they do for most people coming into the forum, as the issue is very much fragmented as per so many other subjects. Some searches cause extreme time wasted and frustration among normal people, therefore a deterrent for many to participate. Is a fact of life that, most questions are going to be asked from time to time, as new people become interested with wood turning as the time goes by. I find most unreasonable that people are told to go and search the subject, because it was discussed 6 months/12 months/2 years ago, etc.,and send them to dark, cold and silent forum's underground archives for hours on end, instead of encouraging people to participate live. Also is important to refresh people minds on the basics, allowing thoughts, comments and statements to be corrected, update and validated from time to time. Is totally ridiculous and futile, to be and old forum's member, be on line in an open forum, and not understand this fact.
Is my intention to make it easier for new people to feel welcome, to participate, ask plenty of questions, and if/when necessary, be provided with links to the proper topic thread search, instead of 100 different threads. For this to happen, concentrating the most information possible in one titled thread, everyone can do they "bit". If a member has new, valid and relevant information to this thread, this is your opportunity to contribute, on the other hand if you have already worked on the subject and provided information/data, anytime before, irregardless of how long, you could do us all a favour and go where that information is (you better than anyway will know), and simply, if you don't feel the need for editing, cut and past that information into this thread. By doing that, it would safe lots of time to everyone, keep the information together and also allow us to ready/see what you done with the subject, then!.
Some time from now, I would like to believe, that finding information will be a lot easier and effective, not to forget that people will continue to ask the same questions, exactly the same questions, you did ask, when you first started.

Cheers
GV

[joe greiner]

Alas, searches can be quite frustrating, because of difficulty selecting the proper keywords. One of my first searches on the weird wild web was to find a gummint calculator (known to exist) for evaluating the current value of US savings bonds. Innocently enough, I entered something like "bond" for Google to find. The first bloody hit was for some sort of lesbian S&M bondage topic.

That said, here's a link for my longworth chucks for finishing the bottoms of bowls:

http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=51456

This thread has links to other threads regarding all three chucks that I built, as well as the Router Compass I made to build them.

A couple later lessons learned:
Tighten the bolts diametrically, like tightening lug nuts on a car wheel, instead of working around the circle; this helps to maintain concentric conditions as the buttons get compressed.
Also, wrap some duct tape or filament tape across the bowl to the back of the back disk as insurance against launching a satellite into orbit. BTDT.

Joe

[Ashore]

Is my intention to make it easier for new people to feel welcome, to participate, ask plenty of questions, and if/when necessary, be provided with links to the proper topic thread search, instead of 100 different threads.GV

When you go to search click on advanced search and from there you can choose the area you wish to search ie. wood turning etc as well as keywords

You may find that when some questions are asked on the forum someone who has gone to great lengths to answer that same question only a week or two ago becomes reluctant to do so again and may suggests a search, you say you have a problem with search engines and don't like to be sent to the forums cold and silent underground archives. Then I would suggest it is you who should improve their skills rather than have forum members search for you to provide the link to a proper topic thread search. Mate the web is here and if you want to get the most from it then improve your own skills , perhaps the question you should be asking is what is the best way for me to search for...whatever, forum members do not , to my knowledge, keep a list of threads giving an answer to any question previously posed, they usually have to do a search find the relivant thread and pass this info on, same as you can:rolleyes: .

[BANNED]

Thanks Ashore,
I wish that searching for the right information in the forum archives, was as easy as you say, you obviously don't use it. If I only could have a "buck" for everyone that complained about not been able to find information...!

Indeed, and after another attempt (another 40 minutes of it) to find information on "mounting systems", the search result is O and continued 0 by trying the words in different combinations. Should I have tried the search under "Paris Hilton's Mounting Systems"?. My time wasn't all wasted tough, as I did find some interesting comments made by existent members on the issue I raised on my thread, (information all over the place, basically). Less than a year ago, 19 December 2006 to be precise, well before I became a member obviously, some of the older guys did openly recognise that a new system to keep and access the important information and how to deal with repetitive questions, was needed urgently. Maybe for some, the word WIKI means something. I wasn't aware of this, nor to what has been said about my issue, around the same time in December 2006.

Some of the interesting comments are as follow; QUOTE "like these forums, Wiki's are a democracy: everyone has the right to express an opinion. I've never found the forum sponsor to interfere with this on these forums and that adds to their credibility as a supplier as far as I'm concerned.
Ditto Slow: the Wiki will be as good as its users."
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"but the repeditive Questions could just get there own folder ,read only ,but some one would have to reright the titels , when "what lathe do i bye " turnes into 3 pages of the best ginding weels to use"
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"I could definatley see the benefit of a collection of the more helpfull or ingenious threads from the turners. and the way that page is set out its up the title of the origional thread doens't have to play a part at all.
dont get me wrong .. I like the wiki idea, I just reckon to keep everything in the one place ie: right here under the woodturning header is going to have a much better chance of activity (and survival) than a seperate web page.
I'm with you all the way on getting the knowledge all in one easy to browse spot.. sometimes a search just wont cut it because you have no idea what it is you want to know"<!-- / message -->

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I think is enough to get the picture, my question really is, so just only a few months, I did realise that something is not right, but the same was been discussed by many, at least less than a year ago, what happen?, why are we still doing the same mistake?

Cheers
GV


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[rsser]

So you didn't search on Advanced Search for posts by rsser with the keyword 'chucking' ??

I took the trouble to reply to your request and give you two key bits of info and you couldn't be bothered using them?

Ashore is right; I won't bother again.

[Sebastiaan56]

Thanks Ashore,
I wish that searching for the right information in the forum archives, was as easy as you say, you obviously don't use it. If I only could have a "buck" for everyone that complained about not been able to find information...!

http://www.woodturns.com/articles/tools/mounting_wood.htm
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=29038&highlight=jacobs+chuck
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=51740&highlight=longworth+chuck
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=49642&highlight=vacum+chuck
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=51364&highlight=chuck+jaws
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=47508&highlight=live+centre
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=35346&highlight=dead+centre
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=51113&highlight=screw+chuck
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=52819&highlight=faceplate
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=41576&highlight=turning+eggs
http://teknatool.com/

No, the forum is not a textbook nor a replacement for a real teacher and lessons. I find it most rewarding when I see/read something and then try it out. There is so much info it scary, its all a matter of choosing the right keywords, the above list will get you underway,


Sebastiaan

[RETIRED]

We are digressing people.

GV, the search engine for the forums is pretty much the same as most search engines used on the net including Google and Copernic BUT you have to put the right information in to get the results.

Back on topic.

What you have asked is about mounting stuff on the lathe. There really is that many different methods that it is hard to rattle them off unless someone has a specific enquiry. Also the chucking or driving method is sometimes dictated by what you are doing.

There are cup chucks, screw chucks, face plates, sacrificial glue blocks, 4 jaw chucks and all their accessories, engineers chucks, hot melt glue, double sided tape, mandrels, cones, live and dead centres, jam chucks, jacobs chucks, spur drives in all shapes and sizes, longworth and probably a lot I have missed putting down but have used over the years.

On some jobs you could use up to 3 or more holding methods to obtain the result.

EDIT: Some of you type too damn fast.:D

[Doc Ron]

Interesting topic! Database searching and setup are tough, especially with such rich and varied sources as we have here. So much expertise is available, and it is hard to tap into exactly what you need. Some of the forums use a library system to compile and keep articles of interest and information for people to use. Might that be a possibility here? I realize that this overall site is huge, ( I use just the general turning and pen turning areas), but some members might be willing to undertake this? In that regard, the post above by Sebastiaan56 is a good start.

[hughie]

I agree with , It can be a case of ''wyswig''. It can at times appear to be a black art. But the broader the question, the broader the answer is the rule.Yeah I know its frustrating, but practice will greatly improve the outcomes. Some times I PM likely authors of previous brillant ideas and to date all have been extremely helpful. Thanks guys! ___________________________________________________Library, this has been put forward a few times in this forum and others. But the rub is who will look after it? and what manner would it take?etc. As you say its alot of work _________________________________________________________We can all agree there are some great ideas out being brought forward to the forum. I tend to save em on my own HHD drive for future reference._______________________________________________________sori for the lines my puta has decided that paragraghs are not necessary

[Calm]

Library, this has been put forward a few times in this forum and others. But the rub is who will look after it? and what manner would it take?etc. As you say its alot of work

Click on the favorites button at the top of the page
Click on organise favorites
Click on create folder - name it what you like - Woodwork
Now right click on this post.
click on save to favorites - name it what you like.

Then anytime you want to find a subject open explorer, click on favorites, woodworking and then the tread that you want to use.


Alla your very own library

Not so hard but i admit i dont do this myself i go through the search effort everytime too

[Solutions Aust]

We are digressing people.

GV, the search engine for the forums is pretty much the same as most search engines used on the net including Google and Copernic BUT you have to put the right information in to get the results.

Back on topic.

What you have asked is about mounting stuff on the lathe. There really is that many different methods that it is hard to rattle them off unless someone has a specific enquiry. Also the chucking or driving method is sometimes dictated by what you are doing.

There are cup chucks, screw chucks, face plates, sacrificial glue blocks, 4 jaw chucks and all their accessories, engineers chucks, hot melt glue, double sided tape, mandrels, cones, live and dead centres, jam chucks, jacobs chucks, spur drives in all shapes and sizes, longworth and probably a lot I have missed putting down but have used over the years.

On some jobs you could use up to 3 or more holding methods to obtain the result.

EDIT: Some of you type too damn fast.:D

,
you are right on the money. Its called woodturning guys.
Yes you need to learn how to woodturn.
Take a lesson from a local who offers that service.
Search the web.
Spend some money and by books on the subject.
Join a local woodturning club. It won't cost the earth and the answers are free.
Pay money and watch the pros at the Working With Wood Shows.

Woodfast Aust:C
Practice and think.

[BANNED]

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you are right on the money. Its called woodturning guys.
Yes you need to learn how to woodturn.
Take a lesson from a local who offers that service.
Search the web.
Spend some money and by books on the subject.
Join a local woodturning club. It won't cost the earth and the answers are free.
Pay money and watch the pros at the Working With Wood Shows.

Woodfast Aust:C
Practice and think.

Hi guys,

I've been quite about this one, not forgotten.
The reason why I open this thread, is very much alive, irregardless of some large stones thrown into it. So lets hope that people keep things together, and not all over the joint.

I can not let go pass the attitude and sarcasm of the previous thread, lets see why;
-Obviously, he doesn't thing much of "wood turning guys".
-He is making his degrading assumptions publicly, with out solid evidence.
-He was pure and simply, "rude".

Now, Woodfast Aust, I believe makes his money and business, by having a quite new Company dedicated in the sale of wood turning tools and accessories, with a recent web site promoted. Being a member of this forum to advertise his business, I don't have a problem with, BUT if this is his concept of advertising and bring new customers (Rockies or not) to his business, sorry but you have just lost a potential customer for ever! as I hope, others will let you know what they thing about your very silly attitude.

I believe, reasonable to expect that members (people) here, are treated with respect, irregardless of their level of knowledge or how much money they got, right?

Cheers
GV

[Ashore]

Thanks Ashore,
I wish that searching for the right information in the forum archives, was as easy as you say, you obviously don't use it.



-He is making his degrading assumptions publicly, with out solid evidence.
-He was pure and simply, "rude".


Pot and kettel me thinks I do in fact use the forum archives and using the advanced search (as suggested more than once already in this thread) I don't have a problem.

[BANNED]

Hi Ashore,

The fact that the suggestion to use the Advanced Search has been implied more than once, in this thread, that doesn't change the fact that it doesn't answer my original question, nor the fact that many of us, still find it very ineffective.

The idea to have a more "defined/filtered" stored information, would be something many of us would appreciate. Is not difficult to understand why, as so many of the best threads "information", was created under the wrong (title/banner/tag/heading,etc.), and also become almost invisible, under the big "clouds of smoke" rubbish, in among them (the good stuff).

On the other hand, I'm please to know that you don't find any problems with it, good for you indeed...!

Cheers
GV

[scooter]

Righto, points made, back on topic please (mounting or chucking systems)

Further off topic posts will be deleted.


Cheers....................Sean

[BANNED]

Thanks Scooter,
Yeah, lets go back to my original request.
My own quote;

"The subject of safe/unsafe, effective/ ineffective mounting systems and techniques, has been approach in previous threads, but all very fragmented and near impossible to refer to with some sort of accuracy, as information was then mainly given in response to other related subjects.

The intention is to get everyone talking and discussing this topic in one place. It will also be of great benefit, to all new turners and those not so experience ones, to obtain information, advice and tips, on one of the most difficult and complexed step on the topic of correct and safe wood lathe mounting techniques and specialised tools.

I believe, this is when you pro's can provide your most valued contribution, by supplying the examples (plenty of clear pics) and the corresponding explanation for the correct mounting procedures and tools of the most common items built in a wood lathe (bowls, vases, plates, vessels, etc., etc.).

On the other hand, we all (less experienced) could also use this thread to present your examples of how we do it, and request any information on possible refinement or technique change, without been concern in having their heads chopped off, by some less tolerant and degrading fellow forum members.

So, lets all pull together in one direction, and help others with this very important subject to everyone. C'mon pro's, lets see what you are made off? (IN THE POSITIVE WAY, OFF-COURSE)."


The point of this thread was to bring as much information and SPECIALLY pictures (they are capable to provide nearly all the information, one needs to know), on all possible ways to mount a piece of wood (blank log or work in progress), on a wood lathe, with most of them, having nothing to do with a chuck.

To try to void any problems with copyright, or thread/info ownership, I did request that those with work already done on the subject, to come forward, by copy-past it into this thread. That didn't happen so, I will approach the subject from a different angle.
All information that I found in my web search, (all but whatever is on this forum archives), is going to the copied here, into this same thread, so that others can find it, and learn from it. This time, I will not be worried about any copyrights or else ( ). After all, everyone else on here, uses external links and or info from other locations, so really nothing changes.

My original request to those with already work done on the subject, still apply, or anyone else that wants to contribute, by adding any information they come across with, from any source, will be welcome.

Thank you
GV

[Ashore]

Righto, points made, back on topic please (mounting or chucking systems)

Further off topic posts will be deleted.


Cheers....................Sean
Mate fair call BUT you have allowed nyodine the right of reply after my last post where he has used smoke and mirrors and are now saying if I respond it will be deleted. if you or any other moderator feel that this post should be deleted then I will abide by the decision and make no more comments on this thread as I am sure their reasons will be well founded and in the intrest of the forum.
My problem is that nyodine made a remark regarding the use of the advance search engines that I made saying " you obiviously dont use it " this in itself I feel was degrading as I do use the advanced search engine and implied that I was giving false advice something I never do, however I left this alone and did not respond or escilate it but when nyodine then made a derogative comment to another member "-He is making his degrading assumptions publicly, with out solid evidence."
-He was pure and simply, "rude".
Then I felt the need to point out the double standards
Nyodine replied but did not apoligise to me for making his degrading assumptions ( about me ) as he acused another member of doing to him
as I have said if I am not allowed the right of reply then so be it and I shall make no further comments to this thread


Rgds

[Wild Dingo]

Thing is Nyodine that the way your going about it is gonna drive people to distraction

I think one of the best methods of bringing a whole swag of threads together is the one here (http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=48786) at woodenboat forums (http://www.woodenboat.com)

What happened was that ONE BLOKE Jim Hillman decided he had had enough of trying to find information on boatbuilding methods and tools that were all over the forum so HE took it upon himself to search them out and make a thread called WB Building & Repair FAQ now called Ver 3.0 as he continues to update as he can... now what has happened is that Scot the rather slap dash occasional moderator (the only moderator by the way the forum is self regulated by the members) has made the thread into whats called a "sticky" thus it ALWAYS appears at the top of the Building and Repair section of the forum

The other thing that has happened is that as others have watched and seen Jims work getting it all together they have started to gather other threads together and posting them within the same thread... thus quite a few forumites are getting involved sorting the threads of specific information together into one thread

BUT!! What you must realize is that Jim one bloke Jim Hillman spent a fair whack of his own time without pay or credit from anywhere to establish the thread... One bloke saw a need and started it.

The other thing you must realize that by trying to do it the way you are by making a thread of pictures and text that will by its very nature end up bloody huge... you will end up doubling up and using up valuable bandwidth that Neil has donated to us without cost to us! So a bit of respect and a bit of consideration is in order with something like this

Personally your not the only one who has problems with the search function... but you know what Ive found? A simply honestly asked question even if it was asked by someone else a short time before WILL get a response and a link to the relevent thread

Ive always found an ounce of respect gains the answer easier than an ounce of attitude and angst

Have a look at what Jim has done over at the link Ive given and if your like him then just start to sort it out for the benefit of all woodworkers... and see how fast the others jump in and give you a hand setting it all up

Respect mate its easy its free and it means a hell of a lot... especially to Neil who gives us this forum FOR FREE!! and the mods who give their damned time for free to help everyone... blowing a gasket and then filling a thread with pictures and text copy and pasted from somewhere else without giving credit where its due is a bit over the top eh?

Anyway cheers

note... Im still VERY much a novice in woodturning and this is the absolutely best of places to gather woodworking knowledge... cheers Neil :2tsup:

[BANNED]

Hi everyone,

I will try to respond to everyone following the thread order.

Ashore - Allow me to clarify the situation we in. I was not aware, nor did I thought you got so offended about my comment from the other day. Indeed, I've meant no offence nor I got upset with the fact the we have a difference of opinion about the matter. I have always answered to your comments with utmost respect, and thanking you, for every time you do so. Looking into the comment " you obviously don't use it", I regret that I've not used the word "much" at the end, it would probably ready slightly different. I have not made any insinuation that you were giving misleading information, at any time.
It is a fact of life, that misunderstandings are a dangerous thing, doing more harm than good. On the other hand, I should not be held responsible for others reactions/actions, moderator or else. In fact, I'm totally stunned with what is going on. I am probably not able to resolve all this sort of people's feelings, but let me say to you, I'm some how shocked with your reaction, and therefore for the reasons above mentioned, I'm truly sorry, you got offended, as I apologise to make you feel that way.
I would much more prefer that you, don't keep bad feelings, and would assist me with your efficiency on gathering information from the archives, and provide those so needed direct forum links and/or the threads themselves, into this thread, a an attempt of keeping things a little more together. Thank you.

Dan - You absolutely right, that is not the best way the reward the creators of some of this high quality sites. I was going to expend a bit more, but since Wild Dingo's thread just before, relating to the same subject, I will extent a little more, on my response to him. Hope that you are OK with it. Nevertheless, I "hear" you Dan, and I can understand you point clearly, can you understand mine? I believe you do. Thank you.

Wild Dingo - Reading your full thread, I should say that, you are also very right, and I understand what you saying to me, allow me to go a few steps back, to get some "grip" of what I have to say.
Firstly, I wasn't aware of Neil's bandwidth limits and or conditions, nor the size of the threads as a possible problem. No one has ever mention that to me, and you will agree that is not something that everyone knows about it. As I was mentioning to Dan, is got to be a better way of doing this things, as I do not intent to copy and past every piece of information to my thread! (thread I started). It would be a lot easy to ignore any other person in the forum looking for this sort of information, make all my searches outside of the forum, get the information and by-pass the forum all together. So if that is the right way to go about it, what is the purpose of the forum then? that will be a contradiction to what the forum was created all those years ago. Many years later the size of the archives is enormous, and the volume of everyday info has to be considered, for the problems that I, and many others, as you did point out, are finding for getting into the right stuff. I will most certainly follow your advice and check out Jim Hillman's site, for what you said, he would understand what I'm going through. If you read carefully the thread from the very beginning, you will find that I've ask nothing else but help, to improve the problem, but I got something totally different in response. Now, I'm not going to continue to waste my time, by fighting everyone's war all by myself, been there, done that, thank you but no thank you. I've made my point, proving my intentions and commitment the best way I know how. Did I made my point?, will see...!

Hope that I manage to respond to everyone, and clear a few "dark clouds" forming above, from far far away strong winds...

Cheers
GV

[Groggy]

Gents, I am reluctant to add to the confusion in this thread but must. I have deleted a number of posts that have been a clear breach of copyright.

If you like, you can provide a link to those pages but you must not post them here unless you or this bulletin board owns them.

The rules relating to copyright are here (http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=33200)

Please continue the discussion on the topic.

In relation to searches, there is also the Google search available and it is well worth learning how to use it. Reading this thread will help (http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=55286&highlight=Google).

Groggy
Senior Moderator
Woodworking Australia's
WOODWORK FORUMS

[joe greiner]

When/if we have a decent accumulation of links in this thread, I'd suggest nominating it for addition to the "Best of Ubeaut" thread in the "Best of the Best" subforum. There's nothing about mounting systems in the Woodturning section yet, although some of the links may mention mounting. The "Best of" thread can be a good precursor to any search, to find answers directly or to select keywords you might not have considered.

Joe

[Wild Dingo]

GV
You have the help that you asked for... As I said I think if you started a thread as Jim has done on the woodenboat forum the other forum members would get onboard and help you out... so you wouldnt be alone struggling or otherwise... you start the ball rolling and then the momentum of the board carries it.

I wish you well
Cheers
Shane

[rsser]

I've been away for a week and see the same issues still churning around in the washing machine :yawn:

[Frank&Earnest]

I've been away for a week and see the same issues still churning around in the washing machine :yawn:

Give the guy a break, Ern, he's trying, in his own way.:) Look at his "arms", simple and effective: isn't it a good innovation?
We are not really debating rocket science here! Now, for something really new, want to talk about the aesthetic values of goblets?:D

[rsser]

Oh but I have given him a break F&E! :D

... did look at the 'arms' this a.m., ... no thumbnails showing up on my system :?

Aesthetics on a Sunday morn? Should be attending to morals :B

[Wild Dingo]

sadly I think hes chuckin a sook cause we didnt do it for him... actually he got the answers and some suggestions on how he could get all the relevent info in one thread but chose instead to go a tad knuts

I was interested in what the pics that should have been in that other thread showed... sadly they are gone

ah well HAPPY FATHERS DAY fellas!! :2tsup:

[rsser]

Dummy spit?

Yeah, 3 cheers for we poor slaving fathers :D . I'm celebrating tonight with a good red and a steak.

[Frank&Earnest]

Aesthetics on a Sunday morn? Should be attending to morals :B
Yeah, 3 cheers for we poor slaving fathers :D .
Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned! :dev:

[Groggy]

This thread has run its course. It would have been valuable if it had been answered. If it starts again I hope that it is answered. I'm sure it is not just me that may have got something out of it.

For those who are genuinely interested, rsser's April posts give some good links on chucking. It can be found by clicking on this link (http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=47438&highlight=chucking+guide) or by selecting advanced search, using rsser as the member, "chucking guide" as the keyword, select "Search Entire Post" and last 12 months.

Groggy
Senior Moderator
Woodworking Australia's
WOODWORK FORUMS