Japanese turning.

[tea lady]

Found this poking around on the web. (Well, it wasn't poking around. I was.:rolleyes:)
http://www.eweinmayr.com/en/handycraft/artists/artist/2/1/0/0/11/index.htm
He looks like he is turning the bowl upside down to what "we" do. How does he finish th einside do you think. Doing it this way saves mucking about with rechucking I guess.

I love the clean simple shapes though.

Other stuff on the site is also pretty damn beautiful.

[OGYT]

He's probably doing like I used to do... turning some of the inside before re-chucking.
I like those clean simple lines, also. Thanks for posting this. Ya done good, kid. :D

[Sawdust Maker]

Thanks tl
interesting work, very nice wood. Those big chunky bases look interesting

I wonder is it is some sort of wood saving method given that in one of the photos there are heaps of bowls with some of the inside turned but with the centre still there

[tea lady]

He's probably doing like I used to do... turning some of the inside before re-chucking.
I like those clean simple lines, also. Thanks for posting this. Ya done good, kid. :D

Kid? I'll have you know I'm old enough to be a grandmother.:oo: But I guess a kid when it comes to woodwork.:rolleyes:

[tea lady]

Further poking around on web.:D
Slide show of a Japanese turning master.

http://picasaweb.google.com/Goldturnersweb/UrushiWareJapaneseTurner2007

[OGYT]

I checked out that Japanese turning master's web page. What you can see of it in the thumbnail piccies is good, but when you click on the thumbnails to see them better... failure. They're all pixelled out. The webmaster on this page really needs help.
Thanks for posting, anyway. I don't think it's even (at all) possible to turn out 60 to 100 of these bowls in an hour. No tool or woodturner can do that. What think ye?

[RETIRED]

Give the pics time to load properly Al. They are fine here.

I wish I could churn that many out.:wink:

[tea lady]

60 to 100 an hour does sound a bit mythical. In pottery, a bowl takes about 3 minutes (when your on a roll and having done it for twenty years:rolleyes:) but thats just throwing, not the turning and finishing as well. and you wedged and prepared the clay before that. Who knows. They are Japanese after all. :p

[tea lady]

There is really not much else about japanese wood turning on the web. All a secret I guess. :D Has anyone else found anything? Stu in Tokyo? You seem to be mucking around with a European tool.:D

[Frank&Earnest]

36 to 60 seconds? Methinks it all depends on what is counted. If there are 6 lathes on the go all the time and 6 apprentices chucking and unchucking the roughed bowls, and the master only gives the final shaping cut, that might be 36 seconds. Otherwise, they go by a different clock.:wink:

BTW, what is a "chatter tool"? Something invented by Harry Potter that goes magically fast? :D

[tea lady]

Someone mentioned John Fox as introducing them to Japanese wood turning. I don't know if this is the guy, but the work is gorgeous anyway. Maybe I'll email him and ask. His work is at least Very Japanese.

http://www.johnreedfox.com/index.html

[jchappo]

There is an interesting video on the Woodworking Channel of a Japanese turner making Japanese dolls.
You can find it in the AWW section.

[Groggy]

Chatter tools vibrate during the cut leaving patterns on the work (http://www.hiltonhandcraft.com/Articles/Shopmade_Chatter_Tool.asp) (swirls etc).

[Sebastiaan56]

I really appreciate the aesthetic of these turnings, there is a elegance in the proportions of these forms that is unmatched anywhere else.

Tea Lady, I guess this is not what you meant YouTube - wooden bowls but it explains how they do 1 a minute

Sebastiaan

[RETIRED]

Any shape you like as long as it looks like this one.:rolleyes:

[Frank&Earnest]

Chatter tools vibrate during the cut leaving patterns on the work (http://www.hiltonhandcraft.com/Articles/Shopmade_Chatter_Tool.asp) (swirls etc).

Thanks Greg :2tsup:

[tea lady]

I really appreciate the aesthetic of these turnings, there is a elegance in the proportions of these forms that is unmatched anywhere else.

Tea Lady, I guess this is not what you meant but it explains how they do 1 a minute

Sebastiaan

Uuuum......Yer?

One bit I read is that the Japanese pull the tool towards them while turning, like their saws cut on the pull. So my turning of ceramics is similar to their method where the tool is pulled across the bowl to cut. Just the axis is differant. Lathes spin around the horizontal and pottery wheels spin around the vertical. Their tools must be differant too. Like hocks or loops or something.

[Stu in Tokyo]

Basically, the Japanese method of wood turning has one very significant difference compared to the Western style we are all familiar with, they cut on the underside of the object being turned, we cut on top side. One other thing that really sets them apart is that the Japanese turners all make their own tools, they all have a small forge in their workshops, and there are few, if any hobbyists turners of the Japanese style. The hobbyists that I know here, are all western style turners.

Cheers!

[OGYT]

Thanks for the video post, Sebastian. I can see how they make one a minute now; They may call it wood turning, and that it may be, but it isn't "woodturning". :D

[NeilS]

Basically, the Japanese method of wood turning has one very significant difference compared to the Western style we are all familiar with, they cut on the underside of the object being turned, we cut on top side. One other thing that really sets them apart is that the Japanese turners all make their own tools, they all have a small forge in their workshops

This was also a common technique in the West. Robin Wood (a contributor to this forum) still turns in this way on a foot-powered lathe and makes his own turning tools. His book, 'The Wooden Bowl', is an excellent read and provides a comprehensive history of western bowl turning. He also has a website (http://www.robin-wood.co.uk/).


Neil

[BernieP]

G'Day Tea Lady

There's some Japanese turning about half way down the page
http://dennislaidler.blogspot.com/2007/09/june-28-aaw-symposium-arrival.html

Cheers
Bernie

[tea lady]

Basically, the Japanese method of wood turning has one very significant difference compared to the Western style we are all familiar with, they cut on the underside of the object being turned, we cut on top side. One other thing that really sets them apart is that the Japanese turners all make their own tools, they all have a small forge in their workshops, and there are few, if any hobbyists turners of the Japanese style. The hobbyists that I know here, are all western style turners.

Cheers!
If turning the Japanese way is anything like pottery, you would have to be an apprentice for ten years or something. Kinda excludes the hobbyist. In pottery, I think you have to wedge the clay for the first ten years. (thats preparing the clay like kneading dough only different.:rolleyes:) Then when you finally start throwing you have to destroy all your work until the master is satisfiedand lets you keep the odd one. Potters also make their own tools. Not the sort of thing they'd teach over the web I guess.:D

Ha! Ha! Found mty way to the "Bodgers" web sight (Assosiation of pole lathe turners.) through Robin Wood's site. They are having a wood turning cruise. But there is no wood in the ocean?

[tea lady]

G'Day Tea Lady

There's some Japanese turning about half way down the page
http://dennislaidler.blogspot.com/2007/09/june-28-aaw-symposium-arrival.html

Cheers
Bernie

Thanks Bernie. All those blanks must have come from the turning demo in my original post as it is the same org. Amazing what they did with them.* Also a clue how to do 60 bowls a minute. Start with a bowl blank that is nearly there already.:rolleyes:

*perhaps an idea for a challenge in the future. All start with the same bowl blank.?????:D

[nalmo]

For a short explanation of Japanese turning, try:
http://www.woodworkingchannel.com/dolphin/vidego_video_library.php

Click "AAW" above video window, then the last of the videos -"Oriental Turning Methods" gives a bit of info on tools techniques etc.

I found most of the videos really interesting, especially the one on End Grain Hollowing by Andre Martel.

Enjoy