Selling the Stubby

[rsser]

G'day folks.

See http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?p=958786#post958786

[Paul39]

"Sale due to physical incapacity."

I'm sorry. You are too young for that.

Mental incapacity I would understand, all of us wood turners are nuts.

[jefferson]

Ern, that's not good news at all. Don't know what to say really, cause I know how much you enjoy turning.

Jeff

[rsser]

LOL.

"I'm a character, you're peculiar and he's nuts" is how you conjugate that.

No, I'm carrying injuries to both hands now. Will continue turning but on a more modest scale.

[rsser]

Jeff, thanks, but I'll continue turning at a more modest scale. Got injuries to both hands now and need to lighten the load.

[Pat]

Wait to David (Calm) see this thread . . .


Good to see you are continuing to turn, Ern as I learn alot from your posts.

[CameronPotter]

Wanna, wanna, wanna...

Unfortunately I can't justify (the very reasonable) cost right now...

:(

Good Luck on the sale.

Cam

[jefferson]

Ern,

you're more than welcome to borrow my little VL100 for 12 months or more. I don't think I'll get around to make a stand for it for some time, so it won't be missed here. Don't know whether all your chucks etc will fit?

Anyway, just a thought. You can pick it on your first trip to the snow in a month or so!

Jeff

[Groggy]

Ern,

you're more than welcome to borrow my little VL100 for 12 months or more. I don't think I'll get around to make a stand for it for some time, so it won't be missed here. Don't know whether all your chucks etc will fit?

Anyway, just a thought. You can pick it on your first trip to the snow in a month or so!

JeffWow! That's the turner's equivalent of offering your first-born.

Kind offer Jeff. :2tsup:

[Texian]

Sorry to hear of it, Ern. Wishing speedy recovery and back to turning as soon as you can. But follow orders and take as long as it takes to get ok.

[rsser]

I think it's the 2nd born but no less generous an offer for that!

Many thanks Jeff but I'll look for a swivel head lathe so the body can take more of the load.

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

EEP! :oo:

How bout a straight swap... the Stubby for a treadle lathe? Then your hands would be the least of your worries. Turning wise, anyway. :innocent:

Sorry to hear, Ern.

[jefferson]

Wow! That's the turner's equivalent of offering your first-born.

Kind offer Jeff. :2tsup:

No, not such a kind offer. Not like the friendship, help and support that my fellow forumites have given over the last 12 months or more. Great therapy.

A swivel head lathe Ern..... Yes, I've been thinking about it but not a lot.

And we do wish you either a speedy recovery - or at least having a turning "system" where you don't suffer. When you look at the beating some of the guys take turning those massive out-of-round bowls, it's no wonder.

So, Ern, I'm thinking you might be able to manage spindle work, even pens? I've got some nice fiddleback redgum here that I can cut down to size if you're interested.

Jeff

[Manuka Jock]

Bit of a bugga about your hands Rsser ,
and having to part with the Stubby ,
but staying in the game is what its about tho, eh ehoa :2tsup:





I'll look for a swivel head lathe so the body can take more of the load.

Think Teknatool ...... :NZ3:

[efgee88]

Ern,

Have you considered going to an engineering firm to have this stubby modified. I look at these Stubbys and I can't see why the head can't be made to swivel. The base looks solid enough.
It looks to me that the head unit could swivel on the base below the motor if an extra section (that swivels) was sandwiched in between. Naturally the same thickness would need to be added for the bed section to get the tailstock back into alignment.
I'm not talking about castings etc, but solid machined steel ought to be possible.

That is if you wanted to keep it.........

Otherwise, we could always do a ...... ahem ...... swap. (joke!)

Look after those hands please, we need you for advice & insight. I've only just started to ask questions!

Cheers,

FrankG

[RETIRED]

"tis the belts and motor that get in the way of swivelling the headstock on a Stubby.:D

[tea lady]

:C Jeez Ern! Sad to hear. Hands do get better though, having had sore hands from pottery. Woodturning actually hurts my hands less. and cos you don't bend over the back is happier too. The hands willl get better though, but I guess its best to take temptation out of the way, or look for ergonimic solutions. The body has to get into very weird possies sometimes.:rolleyes:

[TTIT]

Thought it would be against shed rules to sell your own Stubby :o usually only sold via deceased estate - hands aren't that bad are they Ern ?????:;:U What you need is a warmer climate and to steer clear of that icy wet stuff - much easier on the joints :2tsup: They'll have to pry my dead, cold, arthritically cramped hands from the toolrest to sell my Stubby :U

Sorry to hear you're winding back on the turning Ern - at least you can still mess with some smaller stuff and keep contributing to the forum :2tsup:

[Cliff Rogers]

Shocked & stunned.... :oo:

I'm only 5 years behind you & I'm in the process of (re)building my monster lathe with a 3Hp EVS motor.... Maybe I need to add a tool holder. :think:

[CameronPotter]

Yeah, when I first read it I had missed the whole incapacity bit! That is awful.

:no:

I am glad to hear that it is not so bad that you have to stop altogether - but still, that is horrible to hear. I hope that there is a good chance for recovery? :-

Cheers

Cam

[BernieP]

G'Day Ern

sorry to hear about the stubby, I too have had to give up lathing due to health, but have now seemed to migrated into routing, boxes etc.I'm sure we will still draw on your knowledge.

Cheers
Bernie

[rsser]

Thanks for the kind thoughts folks.

One hand has a lax thumb joint due to a motorbike 'dig' and the other is developing carpal tunnel syndrome. The advice is to avoid vibration and constant loading.

and Frank, actually swivelling might work cos this model has the motor in the headstock. The wrinkle would be the size of the casting on the far side. Swinging that around would produce an overhang of about 20 cm and that'd start interfering with the bed. Course the tool rest could be mounted in a tripod stand. On the other hand the turret would have to be packed up. Be interesting to see how Omega have designed their prototype swivel head job.

TTIT, yeah, scandalous not to leave the beast to the offspring to wonder what to do with. Being an agnostic I don't expect I'll be looking on judging their efforts anyway thankfully.

[Calm]

Could swap you for a swivel head stubby Ern. Brand new - think about that.

250mm clearance over the bed, bed cut to whatever length you want.

Worth talking about.

Cheers

[TEEJAY]

Goodluck Ern,

Almost wish I was in the market for a lathe :)

From what I have seen of the deep hollowing tools from Vermec and Vicmarc they seem to take all the force and just about all the vibration out of turning.

I have found pen latheing a doddle too with any stress or vibration if you take it easy - I use the Ci2 tool and it is a pleasure for this work.

I am sure you will find a niche that works for you :2tsup:

[dai sensei]

So sorry to hear it Ern :C

[mick61]

G`day ern not good too hear have you looked into the arm rests that some of the turners use? Wish I had the lazy 5k the missus said no!!!!!!!!!
Mick! :D

[Grumpy John]

I hope we don't have to start visiting the pen makers :oo: or ornamental turners :oo: to have the pleasure of Erns wisdom in the future :D.

[rsser]

David, v. interesting offer. I'll email you my dog and bone number.

Mick and Teejay, thanks for the tips. I've got a Vicmarc hollowing tool support but that part of the game is pretty minor timewise.

GJ, wash yer mouth out; I'd have to give up the chewing baccy and take up menthols :p

Cliff, yep, think about cutting down the vibes. Commision Hughie to do a CNC boring bar setup.

[jefferson]

Ern,

As very much a novice, it's hard to give advice on what kind of turning / tools / lathe would give you less grief with your hands.

Since I went all out and spent a fortune, I still let my mind wander back to my original starting point, which was to make small lidded boxes. Aside from the deep hollowing, it may be manageable for you. Bowls may be big and let you see heaps of grain, but little things have thier own pleasures. A swivel head or outboard turning just might be the trick.

Like a lot of the members here, we'd hate to lose your input and company.

Now before you get set on what you intend, what about turning a lidded box out of that small piece of mahogany that I gave you? Don't make the base too deep and you'll have few challenges aside from our critical eyes.

Look after yourself mate and don't get too down about selling the Stubby. It's not the end of the world - not when you can continue your love of wood and turning without too much of an adjustment. Big or small, the challenge to make something useful is no different.

(And all this coming from a guy with a stuffed head and on a strict valium regime!)

Jeff

[rsser]

Yep Jeff, I'm looking forward to working those lovely bits you gave me. ATM Raffan's book on lidded boxes is heading this way somewhere on the Pacific, so I can do justice to the timber.

Will look maybe at foam handled tools and/or gel bicycle gloves and see how they go.

Tea Lady, did you do anything special to unwind your paws? The exercises prescribed for mine do nothing.

[jefferson]

Ern,

I have (I think) all the Raffan books and DVDs. The box making one is (at least to me) more complicated and challenging that the others. Turning the top and bottom of boxes involves many steps! As I said, small objects are no less rewarding that some great bowl that over-burdens a table.

PM your address and I'll send the DVD. Next thing you know, you'll be buying a threading machine so we can all watch respectfully.

Jeff

[Sawdust Maker]

Bugga :C
Don't know what else to say really - can only hope the hands get better
Just don't wander off - we all greatly appreciate your comments, wit and knowledge.
Would love to take the lathe off your hands but the chancellor still hasn't got over the Nova purchase :o

[Caveman]

:oo:Really sad to hear the news Ern:C.

Must have been a tough decision - sorry you had to make it, but I'm sure the paws will be better off for it!

[joe greiner]

Unless you need the money, the Stubby won't mind a rest either. Please re-consider.

I trust you're under competent medical care. I had a cyst mis-diagnosed about a year ago, and it took months to just get a shot of cortisone. My GP medico quack first accused my woodturning habit. Light duty and time (about a year now) seemed to do the trick.

All the best,
Joe

[Hardenfast]

Morning Ern. I haven't had time to visit the Forum too much of late due to commitents to a Uni course, but always greatly appreciate your posts & advice. I'm not sure if I've missed a note or post regarding your incapacity, but I hope your long term prospects are good.
Victoria is too far for me - as are the $$ at the moment, but notwithstanding these minor irritations it seems too good to miss. I've been checking out the Vermec site of late and making long term plans for their version of the S1000 plus Vermec chuck & accessories. One day it will be mine.

Wayne

[TEEJAY]

Tea Lady, did you do anything special to unwind your paws? The exercises prescribed for mine do nothing.

I found those foam/rubbery stress balls fantastic. Squeeze and release - half hour a day whilst watching tv - i was getting that tunnel stuff in wrist and hand but all gone now.

[Ed Reiss]

Just want to echo all the sentiments already expressed by the others, Ern...best wishes.

[tea lady]

Tea Lady, did you do anything special to unwind your paws? The exercises prescribed for mine do nothing.
Prolly didn't quite have the saem thing as you. I have tennis elbow in BOTH arms.:C From fettling large pots, and using big power glaze stirers tat were really a power drill and paint stirer thingy that really isn't quite ergonomically correct enough to be using all day every day. (I as working in a factory at the time.:C ) Twas basically rest that was necessary. That particular grip action was just to painful. But other things with my hands were ok.....like turning. :shrug: differant grip I guess. I have also been doing tai chi for about 5 years that has really helped my posture and back. . (Going for my first grading later this year.:cool: ) And also helps alot, I think, with working out the bast way to approach doing things. More aware of what mt body is doing, where the directions of force are going, and notice it might hurt BEFORE I do stuff.:doh: ( Its seen as the "thinking man's" sport, so you would prolly really like it, being a thinking man yourself.:cool: Will also give you something else to think about while you are recuperating. Find somewhere that teaches the martial arts side of it as well, not just the pretty forms.:D)

[orraloon]

Sorry to hear about the hand problem Ern. It would be a shame to make a rash decision on the stubby. I would be giving the hands some time off to see if things improve first.
Regards
John

[wheelinround]

Ern what APIA I am one agreeable with those that feel it should be packed in grease and set aside for a while. Why well i not long ago et a man who's rotor cup in his shoulder packed it in 6 months later he was back at the lathe a beaut Durdan sat idle waiting for that moment.

My FSIL was told give up motorbikes, give up tuck driving due to carple tunnel still rides changed bile instead of a superike he now has crusier, as for driving still doing that has changed the syle of gear changing and tarping up etc. some exercises he ws given heat packs, ice packs and he's now ok.

Now if you were sufering from RSI from using the mouse I could agree give it up :D

[Robomanic]

Hi Ern,

Back on the forums after a stint away and this was not good news to hear. Really sorry to hear it mate but I suspect that you will find something that works for you. After all, you can't keep a good man down.

[new_guy90]

im sorry to hear your giving up the stubby Ern, what ever lathe you get after this one i hope you keep turning us youngsters learn a lot form you and ya would be surly missed here on the forum

[rsser]

Thanks again folks for your kind wishes and advice. I'm a bit embarassed by all the feedback on my posts; sounds a bit like a eulogy :-

As you'll have read I hope it isn't and hope that changing the ergo's by going to a swivel head lathe and foam handled tools will allow me to on turning.

Luckily there are physio's that specialise in hand problems and I reckon I'm in good, er, hands, there. Been wearing a splint on one hand on and off and that's helped.

[tea lady]

Regards hands, I was having some pain gripping the steering wheel for a while, so got a fat steering wheell cover and used that fir a while. Took it off the other day cos it felt too fat gain and hands are feeling wonderful. So changing grips on tools could be an idea. Maybe have a range of sizes so that you are not spending all day gripping one size handle. :)

[hughie]

I was having some pain gripping the steering wheel for a while, so got a fat steering wheell cover and used that fir a while. Took it off the other day cos it felt too fat gain and hands are feeling wonderful. So changing grips on tools could be an idea. Maybe have a range of sizes so that you are not spending all day gripping one size handle. :)
[/QUOTE]

excellent idea :2tsup:

[wands]

Sorry to hear, I hope it has no effect on you typing, as your posts and responses are always much appreciated.

If you have not already tried it, give acupuncture a try. If you do want to give it a go, seek out an Chinese trained doctor, sometimes western medicine has no answer for some ailments. I have had severe back problems and the only thing that has helped consistently and effectively has been acupuncture. I use two, one who practices in Moonee Ponds and the City (Melbourne) and the other in Box Hill, let me know if you want their details.

Regards, Steve

[rsser]

Thanks Steve.

There was a guy I heard about in or near the CBD. Winston Wang or somesuch?

[NeilS]

Was lost for words when I saw your post Ern. Thought I would wait until I could find the right words, but most of what I would like to say has now been said by everyone else.

So, heart felt best wishes for a maximum recovery, and that you readily find what will work best for you.

Neil

[Ed Reiss]

OK....'nuff of the tear jerky sentiments Ern - learn to turn with yer feet !!!!:q:D:D

[wands]

Ern,

Wei Wei Chan (western pronunciation is way-way) is who I recommend and use. She practices from Melbourne in Swanston street:
http://www.acupuncture.com.au/practitioner/viewlisting.html?id=79

Moonee Ponds practice:
http://www.acupuncture.com.au/practitioner/viewlisting.html?id=81

Good luck if you give it a go, and I am positive you will not regret if you do.

Regards, Steve

[Manuka Jock]

Well said Ed :2tsup:

Ern ya big woosie,
get back out to the shed :D

[tea lady]

After turning today I have these thoughts. One of the chisels I was using (in someone else's workshop ) was a little too big for my hand. Was the right gouge shape so persevere I go. But I think If I had to use it all the time it would cause probs. I think having a good look at the handles of everything you use will help a lot. To fat OR to thin is no good. :no: Also had to tell myself a couple of times to "drop the shoulders." Having them way up near your ears does nothing for the strength you have available, but does terrible things to the neck and back muscles. :doh:

[rsser]

Thanks Steve.

Yeah, I had acupuncture in Hong Kong years ago and was knocked out by how effective it was for a different complaint. The cupping and moxibustion was shall we say entertaining.

Turning with feet rather than turning feet. Hmm. Might put the corns to good use :rolleyes:

Added: TL, I'll have a play with different handle sizes and see what happens. I've been turning progressively thicker ones to allow more finger and less thumb action and it feels better at the time.

[tea lady]

:rolleyes:

Added: TL, I'll have a play with different handle sizes and see what happens. I've been turning progressively thicker ones to allow more finger and less thumb action and it feels better at the time.

Change is as good as a holiday, as they say.:D

[Allan at Wallan]

Did not really want to hear that news Ern.

As an interim measured:-

* Do not be hasty in getting rid of your Stubby.
* Seek medical assistance as previously mentioned.
* When improved come to our Northern Woodturners Club
(we have met you and are always pleased to see you).
* Do some rehab on one of our midi lathes to get your eye in.
* Resume work on the stubby when fit again.

Simple. :2tsup:

Allan

[rsser]

Thanks Allan.

Part of the solution is to change posture at the lathe. A swivel head job will allow more force to be taken by the arms and body in shaping bowls. At the moment I have to do most of the external shaping with pull cuts and that's hard on the hands; it also takes a good deal more time than simple sweeping cuts that can be done when starting at the bottom and going right to the rim.

But the big work that the Stubby excels in handling also has to go and it makes sense for the black beast to go to someone who can use it.

[Manuka Jock]

hey Ern ,
whats the swing of your Stubby , the tailstock end ?

[rsser]

250 mm MJ. That's centre to bed.

[Manuka Jock]

How about a Swivel head and bit of reengineering . The DVR head is about 200.
Room for an adaptor base in between .

[rsser]

Think we've covered this but thanks for thinking the issue through.

I reckon the swivel base would foul the bed. Frank reckons it would work ... in any case, too much bother.

[Manuka Jock]

Think we've covered this but thanks for thinking the issue through.

I reckon the swivel base would foul the bed. Frank reckons it would work ... in any case, too much bother.

It was covered with the the bulky motor out the side Stubby head :).
The DVR heads are compact. Thats the point of them .

cheers anyway

[Slow6]

Hi Ern.

Sorry to hear that the famous Stubby is on the way out and that you're in pain.

fwiw I second the suggestion of trying out a Chinese Doc, I have had great results for a couple of ailments in the past..
Swimming is what eventually fixed up arm, shoulder and hand pain that was threatening a career change for me.. I really only went and took swimming lessons as a last ditch attempt and it couldn't have been more than 3 weeks before my pain was all but gone, seems to stay away too as long as I swim once a week. Might be worth a shot.

Best of luck :)

[NeilS]

A swivel head job will allow more force to be taken by the arms and body in shaping bowls.

Good move Ern.

Before swivel head lathes became popular, some older lathes had an outboard turning attachment on the rear of the headstock for larger diameter work. As soon as I had turned as few larger pieces on the outboard rig I never went back to turning any faceplate work inboard, no matter how small. For me it worked better in all ways, particularly for my back when deep hollowing.... with the right sized stool to sit on and an unorthodox tool grip... I can hollow all day :). Swivel head was an essential feature when I bought my latest lathe.

Would an arm brace help to distribute the forces away from the hands? Just a thought, not that I have used them myself so I may be off the mark. They seem to be designed for use with the bar horizontal, but perhaps an adjustable joint could be added to the shaft to allow the angle of attack to be dropped for gouge cuts.

There are a few examples of arm braces here (http://www.woodturningvideosplus.com/hollowing-tools.html).

The articulated arm brace idea attached

Neil

[NeilS]

Hmm... looks like sitting down on the job isn't just for deep hollowing :):

http://www.olandcraft.com/Lissi_%C3%98land/Knuds_Turnings.html


Neil

PS - however, don't think much of the work.

[rsser]

Thanks for your thoughts Neil.

Yes, an armbrace may help to transfer the forces. Good idea.

For deep hollowing I already have the Vicmarc support system. This is not exactly free from vibration though.

It's striking the size of the pieces that Oland did with his little tools. Seems he may well have been green or partly green turning which would have made it easier. I agree with you about his forms: they don't tinkle my ivories.

[Ed Reiss]

Thanks for your thoughts Neil.

Yes, an armbrace may help to transfer the forces. Good idea.

For deep hollowing I already have the Vicmarc support system. This is not exactly free from vibration though.

It's striking the size of the pieces that Oland did with his little tools. Seems he may well have been green or partly green turning which would have made it easier. I agree with you about his forms: they don't tinkle my ivories.

Knud's turnings were a product of his time, what we now call "old school". A lot of stuff made in the late 70's, 80's, and early 90's had a certain rustic look to it...mine certainly did.The tone of woodturning has taken a turn (no pun intended) for the better in the last 15 years. Shapes are more sophisticated, no doubt attributed to the advance in tool engineering, education and individuals becoming better educated with the techniques required to produce a gallery style product. Am excited about the advances yet to come in our field...10,15,20 years from now the stuff we do now will be "old school".
Yep...stuff changes!:q:D

[rsser]

Stubby headed off to Qld today.

I screwed the base and headstock to the pallet and packed a couple of boxes around them.

Managed to do it solo by stripping the machine down and moving the base with rollers, levers and slides. There may be a future for me in supervising the building of pyramids.

The carrier brought a pallet truck and we ploughed a couple of furrows down the 'drive' with it. He pulled and I levered the back of the pallet with a star post.

[Grumpy John]

D'ja shed a tear Ern? :C

Show us ya shed now, might be the cleanest it's ever been or ever will be :D.

[tea lady]

Bye-bye old lathe. :bye:

Hello new lathe? :D

[RETIRED]

Au revoir La Stubbie.:C:wavetowel2:

[jefferson]

Ern,

the passing of the Stubby must be hard. But to be positive, you have a whole new adventure ahead. A new lathe.....

Maybe some tool changes are in order?

I know the Ci1 (and according to the Ellsworth DVD, his Sig gouge) put more pressure on the rest rather than the hands. So I'm hoping you can find a work-around solution with your hands as they are.

We've had a couple of feet of snow up here, so I am expecting a visit soon! I've got some nice redgum slabs for us to play with. KD and probably dusty, but we'll manage.

So shed a tear or two, but think ahead. I can see you turning out some nice little lidded boxes without all the pounding from much larger bowls.

And, BTW, I have a Ci0 tool that you might want to try. I know Calm likes it and so do I. It is brilliant on correcting any cutting flaws with the gouge on the turn.

Jeff

[rsser]

Yeah, it was a bit of a wrench to see it go. The big lumps of Shannon's redgum, Thumbsucker's Jacaranda root ball and Rowie's monkeypuzzle tree are left in the drive as reminders of lost hopes.

Anyway, there should be a bargeload of candlesticks, pepper grinders, small boxes, rolling pins, honey dippers and heaven knows what else come out of them.

Jeff, yep, conditions are looking good for this early in the season. Wonder how Ubeaut Shithot waxstik would go on the ski bases :D

[tea lady]

Yeah, it was a bit of a wrench to see it go. The big lumps of Shannon's redgum, Thumbsucker's Jacaranda root ball and Rowie's monkeypuzzle tree are left in the drive as reminders of lost hopes.

I could "mind" 'em for you. Save you a lot of pain. :whistling:

[rsser]

The kindness of forum members is a wonder as always :rolleyes:

[wheelinround]

Yeah, it was a bit of a wrench to see it go. The big lumps of Shannon's redgum, Thumbsucker's Jacaranda root ball and Rowie's monkeypuzzle tree are left in the drive as reminders of lost hopes.

Anyway, there should be a bargeload of candlesticks, pepper grinders, small boxes, rolling pins, honey dippers and heaven knows what else come out of them.

Jeff, yep, conditions are looking good for this early in the season. Wonder how Ubeaut Shithot waxstik would go on the ski bases :D


Ern snow is no good for your carpel tunnel and skiing using poles too much stress :roll: on the wrists

[Sawdust Maker]

How sad
sob

[rsser]

Nick, one door closes ....

Wheelin, yeah, I found out the hard way. Luckily I can fit a splint under the glove or use a glove-type pole strap.

[rsser]

Here's the new machine.

GJ kindly made up some adaptor plates to fit the DVR XP to his Jet legs ... yeah, a case of miscegnation I know but she is one solid mother now.

If anyone has some tips for removing a Nova chuck insert please let me know. It's beaten me for the moment. Yeah, the grub screw was backed off and I was hitting the spanner in the right direction.

[Sawdust Maker]

I reckon those legs clash with the nova :D but nice GT stripes

I've placed a piece of timber in the 50mm jaws tightened them up, put the timber in a vice and then used a spanner on the insert, seemed to work
have had to whack the spanner with a mallet as well :cool:
if really tight you might have to try some crc squirted into the threads

PS
GJ well done on the adapter plates

[Manuka Jock]

Welcome to the Nova club Ern , looks just right in the shed :U
good stand there too , top marks GJ. :2tsup:

Luck with the insert :D

PS , don't use the insert spanner tho , it ain't up to that job :doh:

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

I've placed a piece of timber in the 50mm jaws tightened them up, put the timber in a vice and then used a spanner on the insert, seemed to work
have had to whack the spanner with a mallet as well :cool:
if really tight you might have to try some crc squirted into the threads

I've done similar, 'cept clamping the jaws onto the edge of my benchtop instead. Which meant I could put my weight behind the spanner - a decent Sidchrome job - and when that failed :B used a mallet in a more natural (to me) vertical motion.



(I wonder... if you clamp a steel bar between the jaws while on the lathe, then flick the Nova into reverse... :innocent:)

[Grumpy John]

Thanks for the compliments on the adapter plate guys, it was a pleasure to get back on the tools again, even if it was only for a couple of hours. I think Ern's going shopping for some cream paint and red GT stripes on Saturday morning, just so everything matches :whistling2::stirthepot:.

[rsser]

Yep, it'll be the first Jova lathe to hit the market ;-}

I'd clamped the Supergrip jaws on a woodvice to hold the chuck, so great minds and all that. She's had some RP7 penetrating overnight but I need the right length spanner in all likelihood. The one supplied is small and the biggest shifter in the toolbox won't open up enough.

Edit: still can't move it this morning. Tried multi-grips which have a bit more leverage. Will try and find a cheap big shifter or spanner.

[efgee88]

This is probably obvious to you guys, but have you checked the direction of the thread. I have a suspicion its probably a reverse thread - I haven't checked the manual yet. I'd hate to think you spend all this effort on tightening the thing further!

Cheers,

FrankG

[RETIRED]

This is probably obvious to you guys, but have you checked the direction of the thread. I have a suspicion its probably a reverse thread - I haven't checked the manual yet. I'd hate to think you spend all this effort on tightening the thing further!

Cheers,

FrankGNormal RH thread on the inserts. I don't particularly like the extra set of legs in the middle.
Looks like they offer no support at all.:wink::D

[Jim Carroll]

Ern clamp the flats of the insert into a metal working vice.

Get a length of flat bar and close the jaws onto this, it gives you more leverage, just make sure you keep on the level as you dont have a lot of insert to grip onto.

[bobsreturn2003]

COULD IT BE A KIWI PLOT?? maybe some super glue? if so some mild heat . goodluck bob

[Manuka Jock]

Ern ,
don't forget to put the headstock locking pin back in before you crank the Silver Sweetheart up .
I noticed in the photo that it is not there .
http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=107782&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1244809618 (http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=107782&d=1244809618)

[Manuka Jock]

COULD IT BE A KIWI PLOT?? maybe some super glue? if so some mild heat . goodluck bob

Yep , a Kiwi safety plot :D,
to help stop the bugga unwinding in reverse :2tsup:

[Grumpy John]

Normal RH thread on the inserts. I don't particularly like the extra set of legs in the middle.
Looks like they offer no support at all.:wink::D

And here I was thinking that I was a caring, supportive kinda guy :no:.

[rsser]

Thanks Jim. Suspect the vice stand will move before the insert but will give it a go. Now have an 18" shifter from the local market as well.

MJ, yeah, she went in after the shot was taken. Thanks for the warning.

, those are the new Jova mobile legs. They don't look much but seem to work OK with the right user.

Frank: good point, and I stared at the replacement insert for half a minute before getting the hammer out.

OK, off to the Woodturning exhibition now. More play later.

[Paul39]

The adapter has been tightening itself all the time you have been using the chuck. Every bump on an interrupted cut, every catch, (might not happen to you) tightens.

A good soaking in your favorite mouse milk (penetrating oil), screw an ice cube (dry ice is better) into the adapter, mount the adapter in a vice, clamp a strong stick or piece of steel wrapped in cereal box cardboard In the jaws.

Heat the body of the chuck with a heat gun or with a propane torch outside where the adapter is screwed in.

Whack the stick with another stick about the size and weight of a London Bobbie's billy club.

You want a fast sharp shock to break it loose. Fast and hard, like a karate chop.
Two or three whacks and check if anything is being damaged.

Another alternative is to take it where you bought the chuck & adapters and tell them to change it.

If they break the jaws off the chuck they may feel obliged to give you a good deal on replacement.

Good luck with the process. The lathe on those legs looks wonderfully stable.

[DJ’s Timber]

Ern if you're still having trouble, put all the chucks in the box on the back of the 2 wheeler and go for a ride up to the mountains and I'll remove them for you, never had one that I couldn't remove yet.

[rsser]

Thanks Paul for the advice and DJ for the offer.

The 18" shifter did the job :compress:

Next problem - the replacement Nova insert hits the bottom before the hex nut face connects with the chuck. The nut section is thinner than the old insert. Seem to recall from posts about screwing chucks to the spindle is that the faces must connect for the chuck to run true.

They're chamfered, presumably to ensure they centre.

What to do? Grind some off the other end so the insert seats properly?

[Manuka Jock]

Ern ,
is the insert a genuine one ? Where were some copies going around a while ago .

http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=69713

[rsser]

Yep MJ.

Same problem with the SN2 as with the Titan I was talking about above.

There's around 1/8" gap.

Edit: I'll see if Jim stocks the Vermec inserts for the Novas.

[Manuka Jock]

I've been looking on the net to see if there is anything about this , but so far no luck . wrong keywords maybe .

My workshop is on the other side of the city , so I can't have a look at my Titan to check the clearances till Monday .

[RETIRED]

Ern. All my inserts bottom out (Genuine Nova) and all run true.

The problem with the non genuine was that the thread was not in line with the end but the top hence you had to take a little off the end to seat at the top. Shee that sounds Irish.:)

[Manuka Jock]

Ern , I found this thread ,

http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=65234

Calm had this solution
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I have 2 SN2 chucks both from Jim and one has a round insert the second one a hexagon insert. They both were too long and the chuck wobbled. When machined to the correct length the chuck runs true on both of them. The hexagon one i shortened it myself by fitting the insert to the lathe and turning it at full speed (2000 rpm) and used the 4" angle grinder to start with and finished with a file. I did that until the chuck bottomed out on the shoulder of the insert and they both now run true.
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[Calm]

Thanks Paul for the advice and DJ for the offer.

The 18" shifter did the job :compress:

Next problem - the replacement Nova insert hits the bottom before the hex nut face connects with the chuck. The nut section is thinner than the old insert. Seem to recall from posts about screwing chucks to the spindle is that the faces must connect for the chuck to run true.

They're chamfered, presumably to ensure they centre.

What to do? Grind some off the other end so the insert seats properly?

My new Titan has the same problem - will take to 's at the weekend for show & tell if anyone doesnt understand the problem.

Here (http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=65234&highlight=chuck+inserts) is the thread Ern referred to earlier. And another (http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=61947&page=2) post 18 onwards

Ern the last one i screwed just the insert onto the lathe and with it running fast held the angle grinder then a file to the end and removed enough material so the chuck seated against the shoulder not the end of the insert.