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    Default What tool to buy? Carving tools.

    Im looing at buying a couple of new tools

    First was something able to do more detail work when carving then the 2" Arbortech piece Im currently using. I know of the Dremel, but after doing some searching, some people are saying their not that good. Thoughts?
    Also how many/which bits for sanding and carving do I need?

    Secondly was a sander to help do that sanding a bit quicker.....
    Im currently using a Palm Makita thats worn out her base pad and a B&D 1/3 sheet sander.
    I found the makita really good when new but now it just doesnt seem to do the job as well....How do you know when their not working as well? Any test you can do?

    Ive got $500 to spend. $600 first prize for mixed media Landmark Art show here in Mitchell. The other $100 is going to a new bar and chain for an 'ol Stihl I found at the local garbage dump (aka: Bunnings).

    So any recomendations regarding a new sander and mini-carver?
    "Ya cant trust a pig with watermelon ya know"

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    Default In my humble opinion

    Hi Earthling, well done on the win, its always good to get something back. Budget in mind, I'd buy this before another Dremel:

    http://www.carbatec.com.au/carving-t...ving-tools-kit

    These types of shapers:

    http://www.carbatec.com.au/carving-t...-carbide-burrs

    Although you seem to be used to flat based sanders, a 100mm angle grinder and a flexible sanding pad with velcro surface are good, not sure if these are suitable for angle grinders though, please check.
    http://www.carbatec.com.au/sanding/f...s/sanding-pads

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    Cooooooooooooooor



    Thanks Spring. That looks like an AWESOME machine.
    What are the recipricating handpiece chisel attatchments like? Good enough finish for that 'natural' gouge unfinished look?

    I saw those pads in one of underfoots pics...was wondering what the G O was.
    Are the pads cheap or Im guessing you can make other pads fit?

    "Ya cant trust a pig with watermelon ya know"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling#44-9a View Post
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    Thanks Spring. That looks like an AWESOME machine.
    What are the recipricating handpiece chisel attatchments like? Good enough finish for that 'natural' gouge unfinished look?

    I saw those pads in one of underfoots pics...was wondering what the G O was.
    Are the pads cheap or Im guessing you can make other pads fit?

    I haven't used the recipricating handpiece, opinions differ with how effective they are, some don't like the noise others say it's like hanging on to a mini jack hammer, the machine is probably better to use to drive rotary burrs, Underfoot knows where to get them cheaper, mail order from USA I think. I think you can get sheets of velcro back sand paper that you can cut out pads from but others may be able to advise you better.

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    Default Foredom or Archer power carver?

    Archer:
    http://www.carbatec.com.au/carving-t...ving-tools-kit

    Foredom:
    http://www.carbatec.com.au/carving-t...sional-grinder

    Im looking at buying one of these.
    I mainly carve hardwoods.
    It will be relacing the manual method I currently practice of files and sandpaper in the areas where my 4" and 2" Arbortech's wont fit.
    It will be only occasional use as areas where the 4 or 2" dont fit arent many at the moment. However when I do need a tool, I like to have one thats up to the task, rather then a 'home handyman' quality, as I find the handyman quality tools just dont seem to do the job adequately/well.

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    I spoke to the suppliers of archer and foredom and I found they are just recipricating carvers!
    Not what Im chasing......
    Terminology......

    Im chasing a 'grinder' type tool.
    Like the 4 & 2" Arbortech discs but something maybe 1" or smaller for those tight areas.
    Hence the Dremel.................but is their something inbetween a dremel and a 2" arbortech grinder attacthment?
    Something with a bit more guts then the dremel?
    "Ya cant trust a pig with watermelon ya know"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling#44-9a View Post
    Im chasing a 'grinder' type tool.
    Like the 4 & 2" Arbortech discs but something maybe 1" or smaller for those tight areas.
    Hence the Dremel.................but is their something inbetween a dremel and a 2" arbortech grinder attacthment?
    Something with a bit more guts then the dremel?
    So how about that die grinder Underfoot spoke of? I'm looking for a tool like this myself, and I've made some research; these toys start at about 240 W of power, and go to 750W -the Dremel is no match here; you can adjust the RPM with some of them ,from 10 000 to 25 000, and here comes the best part:
    It's a slow and painful process...the secret is, dont mind the pain.(Ian Norbury)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling#44-9a View Post
    ..............but is their something inbetween a dremel and a 2" arbortech grinder attacthment?
    Something with a bit more guts then the dremel?
    Yep, what Artesano said Earthling,
    A die grinder (straight grinder) seems to be what you're describing,
    remember these things have a fair bit of grunt, (think of hand holding a router to shape a piece of wood) but they remove material fast.
    I've had the best results with carbide burrs (coarsest available) and this is by far the cheapest Ive ever found them
    http://stores.ebay.com/Kutzall-Closeouts

    what if the hokey pokey is really what it's all about?

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    Die grinders.......
    Thats what those funny looking half grinding looking tools are........
    Thanks for that Artesano and Underfoot.

    Makita do one for $129 GD0600; and a then they go up to $300 plus.....big difference in quality? Does one need variable speed? Im imagining variable speed would be handy.......
    Those burrs etc look mean and ready to chomp......

    Can you use die grinders for sanding or anything else?

    Do these fit them?
    http://www.carbatec.com.au/sanding/f...s/sanding-pads
    "Ya cant trust a pig with watermelon ya know"

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    Well....I ended up buying a few things for my money

    13" bar and chain for the wee Stihl ( so much better then swinging the 18" Husq) $120

    Bosch variable speed Die Grinder GGS 27L of Ebay $111

    5 x Kutzall Extreme Carbide Burrs from Ebay America $51

    400 Model Dremel with Flexi and lots of other bits $189

    Peltor H10A Earmuffs (highest rating ever for an earmuff ) Their Brilliant! $41

    75mm Flexable Sanding Pad + sheets of Sand paper to suit $34

    Lastly a Tungsten toothed 2" blade for the Arbortech. $37

    Thanks for all the help fellow Earthlings and for the PMs

    I Looooooooove shopping for tools!

    Now offski to the shed
    "Ya cant trust a pig with watermelon ya know"

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