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11th March 2019, 07:02 PM #1Novice
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Advice for beginner woodwork
Hello everyone.
Just starting out in woodworking and am still learning about strength of joins etc. Making this for a friend too hang her babys toys off. It won't hold much/any weight but I'm worried jusy glueing it won't be strong enough when people pick it up. What methods can I use to fix this? I was planing to just glue it with a large dowel but with the 15 degree angle on the sides I don't think this will be strong enough when people move it.
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11th March 2019, 07:22 PM #2
Depending on how good a fit the joint is, if the correct glue is used it can be surprisingly strong. My thought is that it is likely to be moved a fair bit and I tend to over engineer so would use a couple of mechanical fasteners (screws).
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11th March 2019, 07:33 PM #3Novice
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Thanks for the advice. I was hoping not to have any exposed screws but I think it being structurally sound is much more important. Ill see how it goes with 2 screws each side and some glue. Cheers!
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11th March 2019, 07:46 PM #4
Screws can be counter sunk. Then covered with a filler, sanded and painted.
Most of the time I prefer to just counter sink the screw and leave them visible. A good quality counter sink bit is a good investment. You can get away with carefully using an ordinary drill bit if just doing a couple of holes.
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12th March 2019, 07:04 PM #5SENIOR MEMBER
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I've made something similar in the past. As other have said glue is plenty strong if the joint is tight.
It might be too late but another alternative is having it bolted using threaded inserts and bolts. I've used brass hex bolts in the past. This way it allows the stand to be dismantled and stored easily.
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12th March 2019, 07:59 PM #6GOLD MEMBER
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If you haven’t yet glued the dowel in then have a have a look at wedged dowels and through tenons. Both of these look neat, are very strong and say something nice about your craftsmanship.
Wedged dowel. Can’t pull out. Normally you would trim the wedge off flush
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Through tenon (with wedge). The tenon can be rectangular or square or round.
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The tenon can be a floating tenon if you have already cut the pieces. A floating tenon can be round, in which case it’s a dowel.Apologies for unnoticed autocomplete errors.
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12th March 2019, 08:10 PM #7Taking a break
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Possibly too late, but it doesn't look like there is physically enough space for 2 screws AND a dowel to exist without splitting the rail.
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12th March 2019, 09:06 PM #8GOLD MEMBER
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Someone can push or pull the two bases apart or together leading to a failure at the rail joints. If you modified your design to have two rails vertically spaced apart the whole thing would be a lot more robust.
Can you add an upper rail seperated from the lower rail to your design? The bigger the separation between rails the stronger it will be. Given the usage, just a small gap between two rails would make a world of difference.
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12th March 2019, 10:03 PM #9Novice
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Thanks for all the suggestions everyone. Unfortunately I made a few errors with this one but I guess its all part of the learning process.
I tried to counter sink a few screws but didn't think that the hole for the large dowel I made was so deep and I went straight through. I have plugged it and put 2 screws in but as the previous post said it wasn't really big enough and the rail is splitting a bit.
I have a feeling it is going to hold a be strong enough but what was a fairly neat project has gotten quite messy and lost visual appeal.
I am learning by myself in the shed and its good to see that there's a good support group here to help me with future projects.
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