Thread: Cheap plane to help with rebates

Those curved profile planes look nice don't they? The blade in one looks like it's bedded bevel up but I doubt it's a low angle plane. I would suspect that the curved profile just makes it easier or nicer to hold. There's not a lot of difference between wooden shoulder and rebate planes; personally I don't think I could actually tell them apart.

To use one of these planes you need to run them along a batten and gauge the depth. Metal bodied planes like the Stanley 78 or the Record 778 have a fence and a depth stop which makes it easier.

Wooden planes have their own learning curve with sharpening, setting and using; if you've never used woodies before I recommend you seek out a bit of personal instruction if you can, or else start watching you-tube videos on the subject. What are the rebates for?

The rebates are just for some small basic boxes i want to make for around the house for bits and pieces. I was trying with a chisel and tenon saw and I just dont seem to have the fine skills to get the joints right without gaps yet being a complete beginner, so i figured if i could get a plane it would at least give me smooth and even cuts for the joints.

by looking at both of the planes it seems they both will have the same function. Seems neither will cut both sides at the same time which is fine, probably easier as less to look at.

How do you go about marking the width of the rebate though i was wondering? is it simply just marking your width and then putting the edge of the plane against that width?

With woodies, such as these, you begin by scoring a deep rebate line with a cutting gauge. Then you hold the rebate plate at an angle, so that it can run in and widen the line. Keep planing like this until the line starts to become an angled rebate, and then straight the plane (and the rebate).

Regards from Perth

Derek

So with that, which would be the more suited plane? The Shoulder Plane or the Rebate plane? - It sounds like the Shoulder plane is the better option as the Rebate plane seems to be more of a block plane

A shoulder plane is handy to have and is good for a wide range of tasks. That said if you have not used wooden planes before you may be better looking for a secondhand 78 with a fence as suggested by Chief Tiff. I do have a small Muji ebony sholder/rebate plane and while it is fine for small work I find the weight of a metal shoulder or a 78 is better for cutting larger rebates. The fence and depth stop on the 78 makes the job even easier. Another learning curve with planed rebates is setting the edge of the blade just right and keeping the plane upright otherwise the side wall of the rebate is a mess.
Regards
John

I agree with John. Unless you are an experienced user of wooden planes, these will frustrate you no end! Just because they are cheap does not make them a good purchase for you. Get a Stanley #78. They are cheap and available. Make sure it comes with the fence.

Regards from Perth

Derek

I think my 0% experience with any planes wood or metal will result in frustration :P - Anything in particular I should be looking for in a used #78 to ensure its in good condition?

Thinking I might give the wooden planes a crack until a decent #78 comes up. Can never have too many planes I assume, like any tool.

OK here are some on the bay that to me look reasonable price wise. There are others with stupid prices on now as well. I included a couple of brand new ones so you get a real idea of price. My pick would be the Wodan as I prefer the ones with 2 arms holding the fence. Record and WS also did a 2 arm model. When looking for this sort of plane try to get a fence with the supporting arm or arms, a depth stop and the side spur cutter that is used when doing a rebate on end grain (across the grain).



Stanley 78 Rebate Plane Complete | eBay

Stanley 78 Duplex Rebate Plane 1-12-078 | eBay

Faithfull No 778 Rebate Plane | eBay


Woden #78 Rebate Improved DUPLEX RABBET & FILLETSTER PLANE English Made

Regards
John

Originally Posted by Fergy1987

So I am looking for a cheap plane to help with some rebates and have come across the Mujingfang planes I'm thinking of having a punt on. However I notice they have a "Flat profile shoulder plane" and a "Curve profile rebate plane"
When I look at planes for rebates shoulder planes seem to be mentioned more than rebate planes.
The Mujingfang rebate plane doesn't seem to have a fence or anything and really just looks like a rabbet block plane.
Which would be better suited to cut rebates?
Obviously one has the word rebate in the name but it this the actual purpose or is it just referring to the blade going to the edge?

by "rebat" plane I assume you are referring to long grain work.

Perhaps you may find a small plow plane more useful?

A small plow like the Veritas (if purchasing new) or the Record 043, 044, 405 / Stanley 45, 46, etc can cut rebates as well as grooves and come with both a fence and a depth stop.
I see that Mujingfang also do a relatively inexpensive wooden plough plane.

Buy cheap electric router and straight bit from Bunnings, I love planes and hand tools but if you have 0 experience and just want rebates the electric router will be easier and maybe even cheaper by the time you buy a plane and the required sharpening equipment.

If your looking to get into hand tools going on you !

+1 for the Woden plane; still has no bids and is about to end!

I have the Record 778 which was basically a copy of the Woden but without the wooden handle; I also have an Anant 78 which is a copy of a Stanley 78; the Record is so much easier to use. Add a wooden sub fence and you've got one the best metal rebate planes ever made.

With you there CT. I have the WS that was the company that became Woden. The 2 arm models are better.
I like the wood handle as well and dont know why it got left out on later models. Still for any woodworker a few minutes work. It's just a piece of wood and a screw.
Regards
John