Thread: EurekaZone EZ Smart Guide System - A cheaper way

Originally Posted by Lignum

Geeze give the bloke a fair go. He`s just giving his tip for a home made jig. And a good one at that... I for one would rather his for 5 bucks than yours for what ever

Just looking at the 16 threads you have posted - everyone of them you are flogging your product onto us.... you havnt yet had a general chat or a contrabution at ALL. Yes flog your stuff mercelessly, but dont pay out on someone with such ordinary sarcasm for offering an alternitave to yours:mad:

Somethings making me think Yowie and Dino are the same person!!! One to start to flog it AGAIN and the other to reply with how great the original stuff is.... If thats the case i will be boycotting all eeez silly guide systems and future posts

Sorry. You thought that was sarcastic?
I forget to tell you that is done already.
If you allow me I can send you (post) the links for all the above.
here is the repeater.
http://eurekazone.com/gallery/repeater
here is the router.
http://eurekazone.com/gallery/mortise-and-tenon
and here is the jointer,

http://www.eurekazone.org/photos/dinoproducts_1648.JPG
http://www.eurekazone.org/photos/dinoproducts_1647.JPG

I don't have the chain saw pictures yet. sorry.
I hope you can see now that I was tring to help Yowie to make a better jig. I believe on the idea of guides and jigs. Pushind the wood into rotating blades, is wrong.
I hope we can learn something from all this.

Yowie thought that the ez smart is a shooter board.

You thought that I was just kidding. (sarcastic)

And I thought that you both knew about the Dead Wood Concept and the ez smart.

look's like we're all wrong here.:eek:

YCF Dino

Originally Posted by bitingmidge

There's my point Dino, the jig is a real alternative, and it does work.

You have a market for those that want to buy a purpose built jig that works to tolerances that are smaller than I can see let alone measure. Your jig also will no doubt appeal to all those who want something that will last a lifetime.

For blokes like me, who carve up three or four sheets a year, the home-built jig is a very good alternative, and I can pick up any inaccuracy by cutting a little oversize and slipping it on my tablesaw. I am never going to fork out for a commercial option, I am not a customer or even a prospective one.

My jig also works for my router (yes I did build another one for that).

There are always going to be those among us who build there own, and those who buy. No need to get all apopleptic about it!

Cheers,

P

I'm with you on all the above.
Cheers.
YCF Dino

Wooo HOOO boys, Pickets at dawn! Seconds away. En Guarde

If I wanted to buy a guide rail system, I know what I'd buy.

Festool.

So what was the problem that you have solved? cutting straight! Oh it was you that fixed that problem... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------Cutting straight? .002" deflection on the guide rails with 10Lb side pressure.Wood Magazine tests.

1. Antichip on both sides of the blade. On and off the guide rail.(smart base)

2. Self aligning connection system.

3. Clamping capacity down to 1/64". (smart clamping system)


4. Repeatability on both sides of the blade. (repeaters)

5. 2 axis router system. (the smart router kit) 3 to be soon.

6. Dublicator.line drilling. circle maker.(same kit)7. Hand held guided planer.(same kit)

7. Extendable material support system with 100% clamping access.(s. Table)


http://eurekazone.com/gallery/ez-versatility

I hope this helps.YCF Dino

Ok Guys. That was my last post.
If the only thing you saw so far is ...some Yank flogging his tools...
That's all you got so far.

Cheers and work safe.
yCF Dino

Dino,

1. Could you please edit your post to make it easily readable. It is hard when you have to scroll across the page for each line!

2. I am not sure what you are implying in your post. I can appreciate that the commercially available jigs are of high quality and do a great job, but we are talking about someone's home made jig that does the job just fine from him and others!

Originally Posted by Wood Butcher

Dino,

1. Could you please edit your post to make it easily readable. It is hard when you have to scroll across the page for each line!

2. I am not sure what you are implying in your post. I can appreciate that the commercially available jigs are of high quality and do a great job, but we are talking about someone's home made jig that does the job just fine from him and others!

Totaly agree. He should go flog his suff in Hand tools and Machinery (Or homemade tools because he pretended to be someone else (yowie) to start this thread:mad: ) I come to this forum `cause i love all things wood, love talking about it, hearing others opinions and seeing their work and jigs and tips, but i DONT want some Yank continually coming in here and flogging his products even if they are good. Its a woodworkers forum NOT sales forum. Ok tell us ONCE but dont dribble on and on and on about it:mad:

just thought i would jump in here
the yowie is a mate of mine and not pretending to be someone other than the hairy one himself
he had just come across a good idea and thought he would SHARE it with us fellow woodies
as far as i can tell he didn't ask anyone to buy it he just thought it was worth sharing
if you feel the need to sell something
OPEN A BLOODY SHOP
and stop trawling these sites

ps (and you thought i was grumpy at work)

As soon as I read yowie's post I was going to add a good rap for the EurekaZone. I use large sheets of ply/mdf so made a similar guide similar to yowie's but found I still occasionally drifted off the guide very slightly - I'm a pretty inept woodworker? -I find the EZ solves this, easy to set up and use!

However, compare to a home made basic guide it does look expensive and those among us with a slight touch of trade skill could easly live without one I suspect - I like your product Dino - but think you've aproached the Aussies the wrong way and may have lost some sales/recommendations in the process.

Cheers - Phil

Phil, problem is, he has alienated another forum I visit often with his canned answers. And they are primarily Americans there, so it's not a country thing.

Dino, stop talking down to everyone who criticizes your products, rightly or wrongly. Anyone says anything untoward about your system, and you have that canned answer about how good the thing is and how wrong they are about it.

I can see that it is indeed very good, but with your screaming it at everyone, few who have read what you say will buy it, simply because of how you say what you say.

Another point is how accurate does cutting wood really need to be? Cut real wood one day, next day that accuracy is gone out the window. Most of the guys who come here deal with hunks of tree, not mashed up and re-glued tree. It's the re-glued folks that will benefit from your product, keep that in mind.

Good luck, and do yourself a really big favour, find a customer relations course at a local college or something. Might save you a lot of trouble, and earn you many more customers.

Originally Posted by Schtoo

Phil, problem is, he has alienated another forum I visit often with his canned answers. And they are primarily Americans there, so it's not a country thing.

Schtoo – I’m a “mashed up and re-glued” sorta fella, as I make speaker cabinets with MDF sheets … but I am trying to become a bit more of a serious and skilled woodworker, hence me handing out around you guy’s.
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The “slightly heated” discussions here urged me to go into the shed and try Dino’s guide to rip the long lengths off an 18mm sheet for it first real run – for my next set of horn loaded enclosures.
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I’ve got to admit, it was easy to set up and I got the most accurate cuts I’ve ever done.
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Like the idea of the course for Dino

Cheers - Phil

Originally Posted by Schtoo

Phil, problem is, he has alienated another forum I visit often with his canned answers. And they are primarily Americans there, so it's not a country thing.

I thought that was my last post.
First of all, if you reread the thread you can see that my goal wasn't to talk down a homemade jig.
But instead, take that idea to the next level.
"the dead wood concept"
One member thought that I was sarcastic. And another member that I was the originator of this thread. Oh well.

Now, adout the "other" forum. You know the story.
That Forum is nothing but a "Forum".
And do you think they have the right to "label"
our system as a copy cat of another system?
And in top of it, to tell us that we must be proud because they mention our name? :confused:

Dino, stop talking down to everyone who criticizes your products, rightly or wrongly. Anyone says anything untoward about your system, and you have that canned answer about how good the thing is and how wrong they are about it.

You see. This is where you're wrong.
I like to see people "rightly" criticizing our products.
That give us a challenge to make them better.
And what is wrong for standing up for your work to those people when they "wronlgy" trying to put our system down?
To those we answer and we give them a challenge.




I can see that it is indeed very good, but with your screaming it at everyone, few who have read what you say will buy it, simply because of how you say what you say.



Another point is how accurate does cutting wood really need to be? Cut real wood one day, next day that accuracy is gone out the window. Most of the guys who come here deal with hunks of tree, not mashed up and re-glued tree. It's the re-glued folks that will benefit from your product, keep that in mind.

I don't think you know the system yet. accuracy is only one of many features.

Good luck, and do yourself a really big favour, find a customer relations course at a local college or something. Might save you a lot of trouble, and earn you many more customers.

Thanks, But I don't worry about the sales.
I have many happy and smart customers.
I don't need to become a "good salesman".

Thanks for your input.
Ok. My very last one?
YCF Dino

I'm sure its a good product, its just that with comments like this:

http://eurekazone.com/gallery/mortis..._and_tenon_005

It just seems that you're a wanker.

Originally Posted by YCF Dino

Thanks for your input.
Ok. My very last one?
YCF Dino

Come on lets face it your hooked Dino .

Here's a product request/critisism - I'd like to see the length of the guide, a "saw plate" longer at each end. Yep even longer to cart around but when you cut through the board your saw would still be flat on the guide.

Cheers - Phil