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12th June 2019, 11:08 PM #31SENIOR MEMBER
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I’ve been watching the luban planes on finetools for awhile (while waiting for a muji plane to be listed as in stock)and at one stage lubans were significantly cheaper than timbecon. Last time I looked the prices were comparable and finetools were offering cheaper axminster rider planes. Is axminster another wood river/luban version ?
artesan.com.au also sells the same tools and is possibly the same company as finetools says it is copyright artesan pty ltd
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12th June 2019, 11:51 PM #32Member
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Axminster is not Luban - that much I am sure of. I do not own any Axminster products, but from the brief research I've done in the past, I don't consider them to be in the same standard as Luban. I decided against Axminster for two reasons: firstly, the blades are not as thick. Secondly, I've seen no statement by Axminster as yet, that they use the bedrock plane design (although they might - I just don't know). I've read Axminster are made in India, where as Luban/Woodriver/Quangsheng/etc. are made in China. Axminster might be a viable option, but I decided to chase Luban products - which leads me to state categorically:
A Luban plane (Australian label), is a Quangsheng plane (British label), is a Woodriver plane (USA label) and the Germans have their own label too apparently (which I've forgotten, but I think it's mentioned earlier in the thread). I own a Quangsheng 5.5 and a Luban 5 - they are definitely the same manufacturer. I would forget which is which, except for the labels on the blades and/or levers. Rob Cosman plugs Woodriver on Youtube and that is definitely what I've got.
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13th June 2019, 01:28 PM #33
Please don't quote me on this, I don't have experience/evidence to back this up, but I think I have read somewhere the German variant is Juuma, as seen here: https://www.fine-tools.com/juuma-putzhobel.html
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13th June 2019, 05:14 PM #34GOLD MEMBER
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Yes that's right. Juuma is Dieter Schmid's in-house brand, they re-brand all sorts of tools from multiple manufacturers. All of the tools are good quality. From time to time you might see Luban planes in McJing that were bound for another retailer with a name ground off. I bought a standard angle block plane from them that was bound for Juuma.
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13th June 2019, 07:21 PM #35
If my memory serves me correctly, the Luban label was created by Luban White, AKA slow6, a member of this forum.
https://www.woodworkforums.com/members/9157-slow6
EDIT- I just read the whole thread, and see someone else posted this info already.Brad.
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13th June 2019, 07:42 PM #36
Lubans get a big fat NO from me.
Ask any shop the lead time for one that isn't in stock// eg. low angle jack
Answer: we don't know when we will get stock.
Not good enough. Not going to reward whoever imports or is running the show. Typical low effort low care retail & distribution. Nope. Not rewarding the supply chain for failing to be a supply chain. Do a proper job for your keep
I'll save up and buy a better tool from a more reliable company
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16th June 2019, 12:58 PM #37Novice
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I was chatting to one of the guys at Timbecon Perth, and they were saying they were having trouble getting stock, and they mentioned something about the factory having trouble keeping up with demand....
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16th June 2019, 06:00 PM #38
The name Luban is taken from a man famous in Chinese history, Lu Ban (507-444BC) who was a Master Carpenter, Cabinetmaker, Builder & Inventor and has been credited with the inventions of the Square, Drill, Plane and Shovel amongst others. His wife was also credited with the invention of the umbrella!
Regards from Perth
DerekVisit www.inthewoodshop.com for tutorials on constructing handtools, handtool reviews, and my trials and tribulations with furniture builds.
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16th June 2019, 11:09 PM #39
There was also a period of approx. 6 months that you could not get certain Veritas products outside US/Canada. That included their hand and joinery planes. It's often not about the importers or retailers, it's about the manufacturers. Demand > supply and often they are unwilling to compromise their standards to race products out the door.
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21st July 2019, 11:17 PM #40New Member
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Finetools also trading as Artesan
I could not find much info on this online shop to begin with, apart from a thread or two and no recent updates. For those looking to find some background before purchasing via the online store, here is my experience so far -
The owner/operator is Jason, his contact info can be found somewhere on the web under Artesan listed as a retailer. If you're expecting to place an order and have someone on the other end follow up and see through their obligation of completing the paid order; this is not what you'll get. If you're thinking that no way someone will try to screw you over; this is most likely to happen and it's bloody frustrating to deal with.
Jason is uncouth and (if I may be frank) doesn't quite understand his obligation and commitment as a seller. Also he runs a one man shop, again this is not listed or expressed anywhere. He is unresponsive up to a point where he turns around and asks you to stop contacting him cause he is oh so busy dealing with his personal issues(your paid orders are really not his concern). All this time you're merely trying to get someone to just pick up the phone and go - yes we're real and have received your order, dispatch should be within the week. To actually be so frustrated trying to track your paid order only to have a blithering idiot turn around and cough some nonsense about how it's hard for him to run an online store and actually respond to his customers.
This store and owner is borderline fraudulent -
- Unresponsive
- No order status; only generic web acknowledgement
- Incorrect stock info
- Getting your order intact is basically a game of chance
- no info on delays/low stock
Hope this helps anyone browsing fine tools. Whatever bits of my order I did receive was good quality and as expected. Customer service is zilch. Owner is a head.
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22nd July 2019, 07:46 PM #41GOLD MEMBER
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22nd July 2019, 08:10 PM #42SENIOR MEMBER
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4th October 2019, 09:10 PM #43
I recently had dealing with this seller. I cannot recommend them. Stay away!
I ordered and paid for two HSS Mujingfang blades to fit a Stanley #3 (44mm wide) on 24th July 2019. These arrived very promptly on the 2nd August. Good service, so far. Unfortunately, the blades delivered were incorrect, and 50mm wide.
I sent a photo of this to the Seller, Jason. He emailed back a few days later to he was away on holiday and would deal with it in about 10 days. Fair enough. I sent the blades back on the 27th August to make sure he was back. Four weeks go by and no response. I email and Jason says he has not get picked up his mail (PO Box) but will do so the next day. I email a week later when there is still no reply. Still no replay after two days, and I email again. No reply, and so I send off a complaint to Paypal (fortunately I purchased that way). The process of doing so automatically sends another email to Jason, who still does not respond. About a week later Paypal contact me to say that Jason/Artesan Tools has refunded my purchase price (but not the cost of returning the blades to him). Case closed and I will never purchase from this establishment again.
Regards from Perth
DerekVisit www.inthewoodshop.com for tutorials on constructing handtools, handtool reviews, and my trials and tribulations with furniture builds.
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5th October 2019, 08:27 AM #44GOLD MEMBER
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5th October 2019, 10:09 PM #45Senior Member
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Considering the reputation of Mujingfang, and the fact that Fine-Tools accepts Paypal, I might roll the dice. The worst that can happen is temporarily being deprived of ~$100
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