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    Quote Originally Posted by malb View Post
    The T square being off square should not be an issue really, so long as it does not flop around. I was taught (doing TD as part of 1st engineering 45yrs ago), to locate the sheet on the board so the long edge was exactly in line with the blade of the square. Then any line drawn directly from the square was parallel with the edge of the paper, and all other lines were drawn from a set square or protractor referencing the blade of the square and would be at the required angle on the page provided they were drawn correctly. It was far more critical to have accurate set squares and protractors than accurate T squares. An inaccurate T square just meant that the sheet was rotated slightly on the table.
    AHH! You are of course exactly right Mal, and I had forgotten that detail. It had remained a bit of a mystery for me because the square is still good and tight, so I couldn't understand why it could go out. The answer is that it was always this way. I was trying to understand how I could have done so many drawing partly on it and partly on the boards at school. DUHH!

    Thanks for that!



    So, Mick, that means the old square is totally usable for drawing.
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    Don't worry about really long straight lines and square corners yet.
    Do lots of free-hand drawings for practice and to see your concepts in form, not just in your imagination.
    You will notice that the quality of your sketches will improve over time.

    You need paper. I buy a package of 11" x 17" copy paper.
    For bigger, I have a "banquet roll" which is a table topper roll of white paper 36" x 100'.

    And top quality pencils, don't mess with junk brands. 0.5mm Staedler or Rotring pencils, HB or 2B leads.
    Staedler and others make red and blue leads. You need black and one color.
    That way, you can draw a correction as an option and see both at the same time.
    To draw ideas, I prefer 0.9mm HB lead.
    When you buy several pencils, you never misplace any of them.

    Maybe a short set of colored pencils to add several options to an original sketch.
    I like green, orange and purple for choices.
    A dozen+ office file folders for sets of drawings.

    Don't buy an eraser. Not yet. Draw again, maybe trace the best revision. Don't back up and don't hesitate.

    When I see something in wood to carve, I always do drawings to make my concept clear.
    Bunch of fuzzy sketches, maybe a tracing. Then measured straight edge line drawings to apply to the wood.
    I save them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    So, Mick, that means the old square is totally usable for drawing.
    Geez, Brett! Does that mean the Woodpecker has to come back before I have a chance to use it?

    mick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glider View Post
    Geez, Brett! Does that mean the Woodpecker has to come back before I have a chance to use it?

    mick
    When you're ready.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glider View Post
    Thanks damian. Once it became clear that adult courses are not available, kind offers of equipment and help followed. I would expect no less from the WWF if past history is any guide.

    I agree that design is a totally different animal. Competent drawing is the bridge between design and efficient manufacture. I have managed without drawings so far but it has some significant drawbacks. I'll take a lot away from this thread and remain grateful for the wisdom and assistance offered.

    The modern designs coming out of ANU and Sturt are amazing. It'd be wonderful if some of the plans were made available to amateurs like me rather than the plethora of colonial, shaker and other older "traditional" styles.

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    Well that was gracious.

    Boundy will sort your original question.

    What equipment you end up preferring is personal. I'm tight so I'd start with the cheapest option. If you are mostly drawing straight lines get some cheap grid paper a pencil and a rubber. If you have a computer there are free 2D cad packages. The drawings remain the same whatever you choose, it's just the workflow that changes.

    Even after a lifetime of metal trades and mech eng I still model up stuff in 3D cad before I try to make it. Ok my mind isn't what it once was but even when I was young it always surprised me how many mistakes I caught on a drawing sheet. But visualising in your head, that's a whole other skill that neither boundy nor your drawing tools will help you with.

    Good luck. Remember to have fun...
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    I also did drawing during 1st year of an Engineering Degree 47 years ago.

    I've used Autocad almost exclusively since 1988 so I had the original paper drawing skills to get me started there and I can only guess that it helped a lot.

    Getting the right gear and some books will be a help but it might still take some effort to get your head around.

    My suggestion would be finding a mens shed to join where you would, hopefully, find some old farts that would be happy to teach you.

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    Can anybody please supply a link to the pdf version of "Engineering Drafting" by A W Boundy, as mentioned above?
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    The person who never made a mistake never made anything

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    I quite enjoyed this series, the guys a blacksmith but the principals are the same.
    https://youtu.be/RpHBmNfoM5s

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    Quote Originally Posted by boo53 View Post
    I also did drawing during 1st year of an Engineering Degree 47 years ago.
    Yes, it was one of the electives in the common first year with Biology being the other. Some chose wisely; but I followed my girlfriend.

    To date I've used SketchUp principally to experiment with design proportion but I find adding joinery detail tedious in that medium. I'm looking forward to a new learning experience.

    The shed awaits,

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    Thanks for this, rwbuild. I did a short 16 hour course at TAFE on AutoCAD 2016 for beginners last year, and recognised the exercises from this book
    regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glider View Post
    Yes, it was one of the electives in the common first year with Biology being the other. Some chose wisely; but I followed my girlfriend.
    Why didn't you just get her to show you some biology on the side?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    Why didn't you just get her to show you some biology on the side?
    I don't want to get too far off topic, Brett. However 1) it was the '60s and I can't recall anything from 1964-1970 and 2) a gentleman never tells.

    By "on the side" do you mean an elevation view?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glider View Post
    2) a gentleman never tells.
    To keep it on topic....are you refusing to be drawn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    To keep it on topic....are you refusing to be drawn?
    You get the picture.

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