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  1. #31
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    Hi Ian. The reason for a strap hinge is that it will minimise the size of the protrusion at the front off the box. I don't like the look of piano hinges, and in this case they do not work anyway (although there are work arounds). A butt hinge is still larger than I would like.

    Thanks for the suggestion Joshua. I have just found the hinges I want: Box Strap Hinge Without Stay Small :: Whitechapel Ltd.

    There is a write up of them being used here: Done: The Monticello Lap Desk | Philadelphia Furniture Workshop Furniture Making Blog

    These will minimise the amount of brass at the front of the box. They are thick (1/8")

    Regards from Perth

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekcohen View Post
    Hi Ian. The reason for a strap hinge is that it will minimise the size of the protrusion at the front off the box. I don't like the look of piano hinges, and in this case they do not work anyway (although there are work arounds). A butt hinge is still larger than I would like.

    Thanks for the suggestion Joshua. I have just found the hinges I want: Box Strap Hinge Without Stay Small :: Whitechapel Ltd.

    There is a write up of them being used here: Done: The Monticello Lap Desk | Philadelphia Furniture Workshop Furniture Making Blog

    These will minimise the amount of brass at the front of the box. They are thick (1/8")

    Regards from Perth

    Derek
    Hi Derek
    forgive me, but I don't understand the comments I've highlighted. Perhaps it will all become clear when the hinges are mounted, but for now I'm scratching my head
    regards from Alberta, Canada

    ian

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    Hi Ian

    All I want to do is reduce the amount of hinge showing at the front of the box. If it were possible I would have invisible hinges. The internal strap hinge is only 1/4" wide and all that is seen is a 1/4" knuckle at each end of the box. By comparison, the smallest suitable butt hinge has a length of 1 1/2".

    Here is a section from the link. The featured writing desk uses two strap hinges at each corner (as it has a double fold). So just imagine that there is one hinge at each end of the box. Now you can see how small it is ...



    I've ordered two but only expect deliver in a couple of weeks. In the meantime I've started on the blade holder. This has a frame and panel. The tricky bit is that the frame has to fit into a opening where the two opposing sides are 75 degrees and not 90.

    Regards from Perth

    Derek
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    I think the confusion is arising because this box opens towards you so the hinges are in front and not the back as in an ordinary box where you just lift the lid.
    I hope you do not mind the intrusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derekcohen View Post
    Hi Ian

    All I want to do is reduce the amount of hinge showing at the front of the box. If it were possible I would have invisible hinges. The internal strap hinge is only 1/4" wide and all that is seen is a 1/4" knuckle at each end of the box. By comparison, the smallest suitable butt hinge has a length of 1 1/2".

    Here is a section from the link. The featured writing desk uses two strap hinges at each corner (as it has a double fold). So just imagine that there is one hinge at each end of the box. Now you can see how small it is ...



    I've ordered two but only expect deliver in a couple of weeks. In the meantime I've started on the blade holder. This has a frame and panel. The tricky bit is that the frame has to fit into a opening where the two opposing sides are 75 degrees and not 90.

    Regards from Perth

    Derek
    Thanks Derek, I sort of get it
    but for me the front of a box is where the catch is -- because you want to know the catch is closed before you pick the box up.

    a SOSS hinge would be completely invisible when closed


    BUT as I said earlier, we have different design asthetics, you are not wrong


    at the risk of hijacking your thread, what do you consider is the narrowest trench you can cut by hand?
    regards from Alberta, Canada

    ian

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    I'd use a 3mm router bit to go all but 1mm through the timber.

    I'd use a reversible jig to get the same result both ends.

    The 1mm can be cut through with a knife, and then cleaned up easily.

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