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Thread: question re turning timber
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11th December 2007, 10:43 AM #1
question re turning timber
Hi,
I have some old beech chairs Im restoring - they look great and are still as solid as... I didnt have the heart to pass them by when they were being STUPIDLY thrown out by my neighbour.....
Anyway... I have some beech (Courtesy of the Ward Brothers - ta!) to make a table to match the chairs. So in order to make the table in sympathy to the chairs (So it looks like a set or course) I need to make the legs (x4) round. herein lies the issue - I dont have a lathe;
Q: How does one make a square bit of timber round without a lathe ? Can anyone answer this for me ?Zed
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11th December 2007, 11:27 AM #2
Does it just have to be round or does it need to have fillets & coves & beads etc?
If it just has to be round, a mate of mine made some spars & oars for a small wooden boat by planing the corners off & then sanding it with a belt sander.
If it needs to have fillets & coves & beads etc, you can dick around with mounting the legs between some centres so it can be rotated & use a router but turning on a lathe would be the quickest.Cliff.
If you find a post of mine that is missing a pic that you'd like to see, let me know & I'll see if I can find a copy.
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11th December 2007, 11:37 AM #3
Use a Handplane to make it 8 sided then plane the corners off till its 16 sided and plane thoise corners off etc, just keep going until all you need to do is sand it.
It doesn't take as long as it sounds but you need a very sharp plane blade
or impose on someone with a lathe
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11th December 2007, 11:42 AM #4
I know of the method of which you speak Echidna. however i've only done it with metal (nail punches etc) as an apprentice 20 yrs ago.... not on legs 850mm long.
I was hoping there were other methods... and yes Cliffy they do need to be round 0 zero coves etc... these legs need to be symetrical across all 4 legs with a slight taper... I could prob do one easy enough but getting 4 to LOOK the same would be as hard as reading one of Wild Dingo's posts!!! lol!!! (Kidding dingo...)Zed
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11th December 2007, 11:47 AM #5
Because the klegs are so far apart you probably wouldn't even see a 3 or 4 mm varition between them
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11th December 2007, 11:57 AM #6
You could try the 'between centres' jig with a router set up to slide along at a taper.
Cliff.
If you find a post of mine that is missing a pic that you'd like to see, let me know & I'll see if I can find a copy.
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11th December 2007, 01:12 PM #7
Zed, I had a similar situation a while back.
I needed two wooden round rails for the end of a cot and I don't have a lathe.
I did what Cliff suggested.
My effort with a plane and sanders was round but not even. Rustic would be a kind description.
Then I built a box to hold the square length of timber between a nail and a drill. I trimmed the edges of the square timber on the tablesaw.
I set up the router with a wide flat bottomed bit on top of the box.
Set the timber rolling with the electric drill.
Steadily worked the router along the box, lowering the bit until I had the right thickness.
It actually did a good job.Scally
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11th December 2007, 01:17 PM #8
Good one Scally, there ya go Zed, you can make a real fancy jig box with your Gifkins.
Cliff.
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11th December 2007, 02:53 PM #9
Zed,
You are near me. Easiest might be to make the blanks, and bring them round on a w/e, and we'll turn them! pm me if interested.
regardsAlastair
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11th December 2007, 03:07 PM #10
Zed you silly bugger
Just borrow my lathe and turning chisels.
Won't need it for weeks. You can get it in yr car.
It may open up a whole new area of expenditure for you. You can pay over $5k for a lathe!Bodgy
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11th December 2007, 04:10 PM #11
My brain sez "Dont buy a lathe... dont buy a lathe...." but my other brain sez.... "more tools......"
I'll try the box method to start with and if that sucks Ill contact Al or Bodg.
Big wet kiss to all respondants.Zed
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12th December 2007, 09:24 AM #12
Zed - the box for the router should work fine. I use a similar box on my lathe to hold the router for fluting turnings, & since flutes are usually cut on tapered pieces, I made the cleats that support the router pivotable from one end. Since you said you wanted tapered legs, you could either fix the cleats at the desired angle, or make them adjustable so you could use the same box for 'turning' other objects, later. I used a bolt in one end of the cleat, and one of those lag bolts with a metal thread on t'other end that goes into a slot in the side of the box. (Sorry, no pics, but it's just the same as Scally's, except for the adjustable cleats and a cutouts at either end for the lathe's spur-drive & live centre, instead of a pointed nail.)
The only drawback with this method (apart from time) is that you will have a rather austere square pummel, instead of a more friendly rounded shape. However a lot of 'modern' stuff does have square pummels, so if the chairs are in that style, it will match.
Looks like Scally puts the router on a square base that fits neatly in the box, which is what I also do. Keep the base as narrow as possible in the fore-aft direction to maximise travel....
But my advice would be to take Alistair or Bodgy up on their kind offer - a competent turner will crank out 4 simple legs in Beech (turns like butter!) in less time that it will take to find the jig material. You could be enjoying a celebratory cleansing ale or two in less than an hour....
Cheers,IW
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12th December 2007, 09:49 AM #13
you are all right... however the box method may be a fun way of learning something new....
i've sorta avoided getting a lathe coz I prefer cabinetary so i've geared my toolware / workshop in that direction... a jig that turns rounds may be handy ongoing...Zed
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12th December 2007, 10:02 AM #14
I have every sympathy with that view, Zed!
Well, my main love is cabinetry, too, but got a lathe many yrs ago, just so I could do my own table legs. Took a whole month of weekends and nights to turn my first set of legs (and they were so crude I dismantled the table & put them back in the lathe years later!). However, I can usually knock up a set of reasonably complicated legs in less than couple of hours now. Never got into bowls and 'really serious' turnery, much, but a lathe is such a useful tool around the shed for so many things apart from furniture bits (handles, mallets, knobs & all sorts of fixery) & doesn't take up a huge space. Takes a little while to become confident with a skew, but once you can keep the dig-ins to a couple a day, you are off and running...
Anyway, you should ALWAYS be looking for excuses to add another tool to the shed - you'll be in violation of the shed code of practice, otherwise.....
Cheers,IW
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12th December 2007, 02:49 PM #15
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