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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by TassieKiwi
    To those both domineered and un-converted:

    I have prepared all stock for the bed in the pic, cut curved legs, and am ready to start on the joints. Bearing in mind that on the furniture to-do list is:
    KS bed (in progress)
    2x side tables for same
    sofa table
    entertainment cabinet
    Hall table
    Daughters dressing table
    2x Maloof-style chairs for the ends of the dining table (sides are pews)
    well, I could go on.

    Question; do I go with router/Rocker's jig/tablesaw cut tenons, or...

    Justify $1600 for the big D by spreading the purchase cost over these 8 pieces of funiture, and buy the bastard? What's $200 among friends?

    The bed has 108 M&T joints BTW.
    Slats on the bed ends are 9.5mm - will the 5mm tenons be OK here? Only leaves 2.25mm of timber either side.

    Opinion appreciated.

    Dennis
    Dennis,

    How come the rocking chair is not on the to-do list?

    I think the decision on whether to go for the Domino must depend entirely on how high a value you place on your time. I am sure you can do just as accurate a job with my morticing jig and table-saw-cut tenons, but it will no doubt take a little longer than by using the Domino. Being retired, and having no time constraints, there is no way I can justify the cost of a Domino for myself, despite the fact that it is a very desirable item. However, if you are a busy man with limited shed time and pressure to get your projects completed, it may perhaps be worthwhile. Nevertheless, I think most amateur woodworkers, unless they are particularly prosperous, would have a hard time justifying the cost. For professionals, it is an entirely different matter, since, for them, time is of the essence.

    Rocker

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    Busted! Sorry David. Truth is that I was going to make one for the LOML, and showing her some pics of Sam Maloof's work surreptitiously asked her if she liked the wooden rocker.
    Hates'em, apparently. (sigh). All of the other furniture is mutually desired. Now this doesn't mean that I 'm not going to make one (can't wait), and have decided that Blackwood would be a good choice, and close to the Black Walnut. Thoughts? Would the Domino ease the production time of the Rocker? (be honest)

    As to the time thing: I have taken 3 years to make a trad. workbench, beds for the kids x 2, and to mill pieces for the KS bed (which I thought I'd have finished winter 2003, when I bought the new manchester in the Myer sale ). There's been a lot of other unavoidable things happening to rob shed time, but if the Domino saves that much time, it would make my meagre output thus far history. I don't mind doing things 'traditionally', but I estimate that the KS bed won't be assembled for another 6-8 weeks at present. If I can accurately cut say 10 mortices in 15mins, then one Sat. morning would have them all done, and I could still go to soccer! Moneywise, I figure that I have say 35 good years of shed time left - $45 a year! Pffft. Say 3 nice pieces a year avge - $15 each! Carried away now.

    Lignum - I refer to the % of glued surface of the dominos vs the area available from 'normal' tenons relative to the size of the joint, as I'm thinking that in this joint one would have to discount the end-grain in developing strength, and rely on the M&T's alone?
    The only way to get rid of a [Domino] temptation is to yield to it. Oscar Wilde

    .....so go4it people!

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    Dennis,

    I think the time advantage of the Domino over my morticing jig is not huge. A mortice that might take a couple of minutes to rout on my jig might be done in half that time with a Domino. Both the jig and the Domino have a huge time advantage over cutting mortices by hand, however. And both are comparable for time with a morticing machine, but probably produce a more accurate result than all but the best and most carefully maintained morticers.

    Reading between the lines, I suspect that you have set your heart on the Domino, and good luck to you, if you can afford to indulge yourself

    With regard to the rocker, you can still make one for yourself, even if SWMBO is not keen. Blackwood is a good choice for the timber, especially if you can get hold of some with fiddleback figure. There are only eight mortices in the rocker design - the remainder of the joints are dowelled, and made by routing with a guide bushing, using my simple screw-on dowelling jig - so the advantage you would gain from doing the mortices with the Domino, rather than the morticing jig, would be negligible.

    Rocker

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    Quote Originally Posted by TassieKiwi

    If I can accurately cut say 10 mortices in 15mins, then one Sat. morning would have them all done, and I could still go to soccer!
    10 mortices with Domi would be more like 2 - 3 minutes max.

    And thats from taking it of the shelf [and add 20 seconds to adjust your settings] to putting it on the timber and plunging accuratly, is just super quick. And as for chair making, its what i realy got it for. This machine will be a god send to chair makers.
    Quote Originally Posted by TassieKiwi

    Lignum - I refer to the % of glued surface of the dominos vs the area available from 'normal' tenons relative to the size of the joint, as I'm thinking that in this joint one would have to discount the end-grain in developing strength, and rely on the M&T's alone?
    Theirs stuff all in strength anyway in end grain joins. The miter is different as they are long grain. Even the 5mm is super strong.

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