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  1. #1
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    Default New Spotted Gum Decking Issue, gone rough.

    Hi all,

    So I am new to posting on this forum, although its regularly helped me out over the years with other issues so hopefully this post will provide the same sort of help to others that come across this issue.

    So I have just laid a brand new spotted gum deck, after it was laid it looked sensational. The issue is that after less that 2 weeks of being laid the timber has become very rough on top (see photos), too rough to let it be let that way. My question is does anyone know why this might be the case. The timber yard i bought it from are investigating as well (and neither them or the supplier's rep have seen a surface go like this), but there are some very knowledgable people on this forum so i thought its worth asking too.

    The other thing you will notice from one photo is it looks like the wood is bleaching strangely, but this might be normal, im new to this.

    so background. The deck has been down for almost 2 weeks now. The first photo shows it new. The timber looked and felt really good. The moisture content has been checked by the timber yard. After about a week the timber started to go rough on top, almost flaking you would say. Its along the micro veins you see in the wood. The experienced deck builder who helped me has never seen a deck do this.

    Its not oiled yet, and to be honest it was not something i was rushing to do as you seem to be told to leave a new deck for between 4 - 16 weeks depending on who you talk too. My plan was to have it oiled before xmas, however with the state of the wood now i am holding off until i find a solution to the issue. I am going to use Organ Oil woodguard first, then oiled with there normal oil in about 2-3 months time.

    I tried sanding a piece back, then oiling and it came up nicely. So that will be one option but its a concern.

    To be honest the top of the wood just feels very, very dry. We did have one day of 40 degrees in the last week, but again it would be strange wouldn't it for a deck to dry out that quickly and start cracking (weather has been odd in the last week). Also i live about 500m from Melbourne bay so could be some salt in the air.

    So quesitons are:

    1) in general does anyone know whats going on?
    2) although sanding works, what are the chances that the wood will just flake up again and ill be back where i started?
    3) I assume this is not normal for an australian hard wood, but has anyone else had this happen (especially with spotted gum)?

    Thanks guys, any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

    PS, you will notice a large tannin stain in one photo, totally my fault (left a piece of metal on the deck over night and it rained). Can that be sanded out, or should i turn the boards over?
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    My guess is it just got wet and the grain swelled a little - this is standard for any wooden surface.
    Sanding and immediately applying some sort of finish will minimize this problem

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    Agree with Bob - definitely looks normal if it got wet and then dried. Sanding and oiling is the way to go.

    P.S. - the deck indeed looks great!

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    As already said, quite normal. Decking is supplied dressed only, not sanded. If the header has blunt blades it can tend to chip then flatten the remaining fibre as the timber goes through, these fibres will tend to rise when exposed to the weather. Now they have lifted, its time to sand back and they should never raise their heads again. If you want to be sure, wet the deck again after sanding and see how it looks. It may need another light sand before oiling.

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    Thanks all, sounding quite normal then. I read in another post on this site that they used one of these to sand the deck back, would it be suitable? What grit, 80/100 or 120?

    Thanks again

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    oops, here is the link to that sander

    KENNARDS HIRE - Orbital Floor Sanders

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    Quote Originally Posted by liambarr View Post
    Thanks all, sounding quite normal then. I read in another post on this site that they used one of these to sand the deck back, would it be suitable? What grit, 80/100 or 120?

    Thanks again

    Hi Liambarr,
    When sanding many people make the mistake of going straight to the their finishing grade of paper (ie 180g or 240g for furniture) whilst this can work it also means you will spend a lot more time sanding and waste a lot more paper because the fine grit has to work hard to remove large imperfections. The best way to sand something is to start with a rough grit and then work your way up to your finishing grit in stages. For your deck 120g would probably be fine to finish on so start with 60 or 80 and then work your way up. Two steps should probably be fine. If you are using a hand sander this will cut out a lot of time and effort. If you are using that machine then you may get away with just 120, depends how much that grain has raised, try a piece by hand and you will see what works.

    Also, totally agree with the other posts here, the reason the wood grain has raised is because of humidity (being outside) or rain. This is usually fine after sanding back and applying oil (or whatever you are sealing with) although keep in mind that you will need to treat the wood regularly every year or two to keep it looking in top condition.

    Good Luck and a fine deck you have there.
    Cheers
    Mat

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    thanks again all, very helpful. Ill push ahead with teh sanding option (monday next week looks like the weather to do it) and post back the results. I just want to get it all finished now, and kick back with a beer on the new deck!

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    Try some oxalic acid on the stain.

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    My 2 cents worth.

    1 hire a drum sander and sand the deck( punch the nails first) on 45deg too the timber lay in both directions. use a coarse grit 40/60Grit)

    2 this will level the timber, then sand down the length of the timber with 60/80 grit. this will give a good finish.

    3 clean down, do NOT wet the timber with water, apply your preferred finish , first coat slightly thinned .

    4 2nd & 3rd coats UN-thinned , allowed to dry between coats.

    This should do the job.
    I would not use a Poli-vac sander as these are really for final finishing of interior flooring , and the spaces between the boards may catch the discs and rip it off the base pad.

    Jeff
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    Moisture (dew, rain, humiditiy) has caused the grain to rise.... knock it back with some anding and finish.

    The timber yard and flooring guys are flat out lying to you. its common, and as you have heard from the reports from other here or it's there first week on the job and they just dont know better.

    Good luck.

    PS the floor sanders require a little learning curve practice on an out of the way area first.
    Steven Thomas


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