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22nd September 2018, 01:08 PM #1GOLD MEMBER
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Titebond v's the Rest
What advantages has basic Titebond got over a White PVA such as Selley's Aquadhere?
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22nd September 2018, 01:18 PM #2GOLD MEMBER
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The bottle spout is different though I think that I prefer the Selley's one as you have to remove the dried crust off the top of the Titebond bottle after it has dried to use it.
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22nd September 2018, 02:07 PM #3GOLD MEMBER
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That is my pet hate of it and TB also blocks the spout of the Fastcap bottle I use. I don't think I am in love with TB at all to tell the truth. I bought large bottle of it from Masters and last night I had to thin it with water. I tried to decipher the date code on the bottle and I think it may have been made in 2015.
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22nd September 2018, 03:34 PM #4
Depends on which TB you mean. I've never used TB "Original" but have used II and III quite extensively. I think you'll find that II has more solids in it than Aquadhere, and III most definitely will. AFAIK, more solids means greater strength. III is also rated as weatherproof (but not for submerging), and on that score I have used it for a north facing panel that covers in the underneath of my shed deck. Just checked then and all the joints are still solid.
Titebond have tested TB III against their own Polyurethane glue and it was significantly stronger than the PU.
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22nd September 2018, 04:03 PM #5
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22nd September 2018, 05:26 PM #6GOLD MEMBER
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my understanding of these type of glues is once they start to thicken then separate they have started losing their adhesive properties but i maybe misinformed
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22nd September 2018, 06:40 PM #7
I did a quick bit of looking into the "shelf life" of Titebond (III in particular, as I tend to use it most).
My understanding is 12-18 months on the shelf before it's likely to go "off".
What happens when it goes "off" I didn't look at, having found the answer I needed to know (i.e. how long can it be kept for).
Whilst I haven't used Titebond in something old enough to prove longevity of adhesion, I do know personally of furniture that was made in the early 1980's - from pine - and built using Aquadhere, and it's still in perfect condition today, so I reckon it's good for at least 35 years (mind, kept indoors at all times).
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22nd September 2018, 06:47 PM #8SENIOR MEMBER
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anyone on this site uses Titebond 50?
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Titebond original has aliphatic resin added to it. I don't know much about the resin, but it makes the glue sticky/tacky and possibly increases the strength of the glue. The extra initial tack can be a major pain in the butt, or it can be awesome. Mostly it is awesome more often than it is a pain in the butt. The initial tack stops components sliding around which you quickly realise happens as soon as you apply clamping pressure. I use titebond original for most things which won't be getting wet in normal use.
The reason I use it is because that's what I use and it doesn't fail me, so why would I try new stuff and use 50 cents worth of glue on $1000 worth of precisely shaped and jointed wood? <- that's why it is popular and why it will be very difficult to overcome its popularity. But when it is all said and done, TB original or Aquadhere Interior, or any of the many other interior white pva glues are all pretty much the same, used in the same way, and work just as well as each other.
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After using aquadhere for years, I switched to titebond II as my go-to PVA about 3 years ago. In my experience, it is stronger, requires less clamp time and is easier to use than both Aquadhere and its external variant.But it probably depends on what you are doing. Don't expect to ever be able to loosen titebond II with a bit of heat as you can with aquadhere.
I try to keep my glues pretty fresh, less than a year, but have not had issues with glues going off with age.
Bruce
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I've never had an Aquadhere or Titebond joint fail so both are good for me. Aquadhere is available at most hardware stores which is an advantage.
Regards
Keith
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Titebond recommend adding water to thin if needed but no more that 5%. Their warnings on temperature is more to do with freezing than higher temps.
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23rd September 2018, 09:25 AM #14
I like the titebond original for toymaking as it grips quickly sometimes not even having to clamp.
When I was using the Aquadhere PVA glue it's slip badly when trying to clamp the small parts in place..
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