Thread: Transporting panel products home

Information on overhang in NSW. I know it’s from a steel company but it meets the RMS NSW rules. Probably one of the clearest descriptions I’ve seen

https://www.edconsteel.com.au/pdf/Ed...uly%202015.pdf

Originally Posted by woodPixel

Gentlemen, I am ENGAGING THE BUREAUCRACY!

I'm writing an email to ask a direct question. Wish me luck!

You must be a beggar for punishment.

I had to talk to the council today. I'm $1,100 poorer just like that.

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Overhang info for Victoria https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/-/me...BB667D81324461

Ha! A definitive response via email!

https://www.ntc.gov.au/Media/Reports...DDEFE53C0).pdf

Per Lappa #32 (good post!) the answer is 1200mm rear overhang with a flaggie and if at night, a red light (Caveats, notes, etc, apply).

So, I can indeed carry sheetstock and 5.4m mgp10's as I have on the trellis! Huzzah!

They are pretty good here. They have been helpful and fast on a few occasions.

had occasion a few months back to bring some looonnng C section steel back from Adelaide.
Knew ir was borderline and sure enough within the boundaries of local constabulary force...flashing lights behind me...
'Bit long mate?'
'Yes sir.'
'err mind telling me why your carrying this extra long C section steel?'
'Better ask your boss, sir. He ordered it.' hmm then we had a chat about fishing and went our seperate ways.

Originally Posted by woodPixel

Ha! A definitive response via email!

https://www.ntc.gov.au/Media/Reports...DDEFE53C0).pdf

Per Lappa #32 (good post!) the answer is 1200mm rear overhang with a flaggie and if at night, a red light (Caveats, notes, etc, apply).

So, I can indeed carry sheetstock and 5.4m mgp10's as I have on the trellis! Huzzah!

They are pretty good here. They have been helpful and fast on a few occasions.

are you sure

in respect to trailers, the document you linked to (page 10) says no more than the distance from "the front load carrying area(measured from axle to front of trailer),or 3.7 metres –whichever is lesser"
a 5.4m MGP would need a trailer with a "load carrying area" 4.2 m long suggesting that the total length of the trailer plus drawbar would be in the order of 6 to 7 metres.

Originally Posted by woodPixel

Ha! A definitive response via email!

https://www.ntc.gov.au/Media/Reports...DDEFE53C0).pdf

Per Lappa #32 (good post!) the answer is 1200mm rear overhang with a flaggie and if at night, a red light (Caveats, notes, etc, apply).

So, I can indeed carry sheetstock and 5.4m mgp10's as I have on the trellis! Huzzah!

They are pretty good here. They have been helpful and fast on a few occasions.

are you sure

in respect to trailers, the document you linked to (page 10) says no more than the distance from "the front load carrying area (measured from axle to front of trailer),or 3.7 metres –whichever is lesser"
a 5.4m MGP would need a trailer with a "load carrying area" 4.2 m long suggesting that the total length of the trailer plus drawbar would be in the order of 6 to 7 metres.

Originally Posted by poundy

When I look at the doc in your #24, I see that there's a section "

MAXIMUM LENGTH OF PROJECTIONS STICKING OUT OF THE VEHICLE

" and a row in the table for "

Rear overhang – single axle group trailer

" that doesn't explicitly say you can't overhang, but there's a way to calculate the permissible amount, which like WA includes measuring from the axle to the front of the trailer (that would have to be the front of the tow hitch, wouldn't it ).

nope
It's the front of the load carrying area. Apart from 5th wheel trailers, the tow hitch is beyond the load carrying area.

Else where there are rules about the required clearance (minimum 300mm) between any part of the towing vehicle and the load -- it's a bit unclear how it is measured, but at a minimum the draw bar would need to be around half the width of the tow vehicle plus 300 mm

so digging into RMS site shows this...

Loads that project more than 1.2m behind a trailer must have a red flag attached to the end of the load. This flag must be at least 300 mm square and clearly visible. To avoid having an overhanging load, you should purchase a trailer that suitably contains the load

so to me, that means it must include the tow hitch in the calculation. Even though the info at the link https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/towing.html is reasonably brief, it sounds to me reasonably clear in that overhang is allowed

Its too damned confusing.... I'll have to write again.

ENGAGE the BUREAUCRACY!

.... again .....

I borrow DaveTTC's trailer when he is in town, we brought some 3.6 sheets of MDF home on that with no overhang. It is a flat top with no sides and if I was building or buying a trailer today all four sides would be removeable.

Originally Posted by poundy

so digging into RMS site shows this...

Loads that project more than 1.2m behind a trailer must have a red flag attached to the end of the load. This flag must be at least 300 mm square and clearly visible. To avoid having an overhanging load, you should purchase a trailer that suitably contains the load

so to me, that means it must include the tow hitch in the calculation. Even though the info at the link https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/towing.html is reasonably brief, it sounds to me reasonably clear in that overhang is allowed

sorry, but for a conventional trailer (i.e. not 5th wheel trailer) the draw bar and tow hitch is nowhere near the load carrying area.

although about transporting yachts, this document https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents...n-trailers.pdf contains a useful glossary drawn from the general vehicle regulations.

Front load carrying area is that part of the trailer forward of the rear overhang line, and on which a load can be carried.

Rear overhang is the distance measured between the rear overhang line and the rear of the trailer or of the load, depending on the mass of the combination.

Rear overhang line is the point from which rear overhang is measured. Most trailers used to carry a yacht have a single axle, or a tandem axle group; the rear overhang is measured from the vertical centre-line of the single axle, or the centre of the axle group.

Rear projection is the distance the load projects beyond the rear of the trailer.

The document also contains a diagram showing that the "front load carrying area" ias located BEHIND the draw bar and hitch.

I mentioned Gorilla Grips earlier, but was also trying to think of the name of these.... CarryMates www.lincolnsentry.com.au/products/2408480

Lincoln Sentry are having a sale and emailed me, which gave me the reminder of where I saw them....

These grippies are used by glaziers to move panes of glass. They come in three (?) width/thickness carrying sizes. One may be able to replicate a set at home for less than the $309rrp ($265 at LS).

The price reflects that these are professional kit, not toys.... But the idea is what I'm trying to convey, for the handy amongst us.

This is better than a sharpening thread. Continuing on from WP's grippers if you have the room and a good surface this works really well