Thread: TS noise problem

H>S. I guess you have spoken to your neighbours to find out if there are times a day that the noise will be less of a nuisance to them. Nothing works as well as talking it over..... they are entitled to quiet but you are entitled to having your hobby....so go have a friendly chat...tell them what you have done, are still doing to quieten down the saw etc. I'm sure with a little commonsense and being nice and reasonable about your expectations and wanting to please them, you'll find that they'll be quite OK.

Change your blade to one of the CMT 'low noise' blades. CMT have blades with special cuts in them that make them very quiet......it takes the sing and high pitch out of the blade. Most noise will then come from the actual cutting and not the spinning blade. Some low cost ( read quality too ) blades are terrible in the noise area.

My choice for the 10" table saw:

1)CMT 285-080-10M ( 80 Tooth Industrial cut off blade ) I use this for cross cuts, ripping up to 38 mm thick. Above 38 mm I find the feed rate for ripping drops too much with this blade. Its my combination blade and it stays in my saw. It gives a fantastic finish off the blade.
2) CMT 290-250-24M for ripping. ( 24 Tooth Ripping Blade)

Both these blades are "low noise" and they really work well. DO NOT USE THE CMT "ULTRA" thin blades in your table saw...they are too thin and the timber will catch on the riving knife.
CMT blades have 30 mm bore but inserts from 16 and in your case 1" to 30 mm are available. Go CMT!

Hope you solve your problem!

Try hanging carpet on the walls or around the saw

Noise can is transmitted by mechanical means through the building as much as airborne. A false wall on the neighbour's side may help, don't forget to cover windows and I will bet money a lot of the noise is going through the ceiling and that will be just about impossible to deal with in any effective manner. Buildings transmit noise and it is damned hard to stop it.

I am surprised that none of the Forumites have
suggested that you ask your neighbours to move
to the other side of town.

You never know, perhaps they are just waiting
for you to ask.

Allan

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I am not at all worried about dying
... but just hope I am not there at the time.

I'm surprised by some of the impractical/inconsiderate recommendations in this thread.

This "I'm entitled to make noise and p*ss off my neighbours" attitude really gives woodworkers a bad name.

HSL should have taken the close proximity of his neighbours into account before ordering machinery, and perhaps taken up a handtool approach to woodworking.

Originally Posted by Ron Dunn

I'm surprised by some of the impractical/inconsiderate recommendations in this thread.

This "I'm entitled to make noise and p*ss off my neighbours" attitude really gives woodworkers a bad name.

HSL should have taken the close proximity of his neighbours into account before ordering machinery, and perhaps taken up a handtool approach to woodworking.

The thing is you are entitled to make noise, just like your neighbour is entitled to make noise with a mower, brushcutter, chainsaw, stereo, homed theatre, noisy party, motorbike etc, etc. It's best to try to keep good relations with your neighbours, but it shouldn't be at the expense of your hobby. The building arrangement sounds pretty unconventional to say the least and doesn't sound like it would comply with the BCA.

Mick

Originally Posted by Ron Dunn

I'm surprised by some of the impractical/inconsiderate recommendations in this thread.

Who gave you that impression? I certainly hope you didn't draw that conclusion from my post.

It wasn't the worst, Groggy, but I didn't think the emphasis on checking council regulations was particularly responsible.

I think (happy to be corrected) that we're talking semi-detached housing here. It just isn't right to put loud machinery into that environment.

How would you feel if it was your elderly mother or aunt living next door? Or if you had a young child in the house, and they got woken up by the noise of the machinery?

I really do think this gives woodworkers a bad name. If we don't emphasise responsible neighbourhood practices, don't be surprised if councils regulate against machinery in residential areas.

when did woodworkers start getting a bad name?news to me.all my neighbours are fine with me making noise with my machinery, as i am with them with their mowers,whipper snippers , chainsaws ,noisy kids etc.why would you not pursue a hobby and purchase machinery for this hobby because you are in close proximity to your neighbour?. its not like he is breaking the law ,and why should he hire a shed elsewhere.?give and take .bob

Originally Posted by Ron Dunn

It wasn't the worst, Groggy, but I didn't think the emphasis on checking council regulations was particularly responsible.

I think (happy to be corrected) that we're talking semi-detached housing here. It just isn't right to put loud machinery into that environment.

How would you feel if it was your elderly mother or aunt living next door? Or if you had a young child in the house, and they got woken up by the noise of the machinery?

I really do think this gives woodworkers a bad name. If we don't emphasise responsible neighbourhood practices, don't be surprised if councils regulate against machinery in residential areas.

Ron, you need to re-read my post. The emphasis (in bold) is on "being reasonable". The council reference is to ensure that whatever is done is within the law. That is the minimum standard that must be understood and met. From there you do what is reasonable, which is beyond what the law merely requires.

I was also keen to ensure haosiliu235 is not made to feel he should give in to his neighbour. He is very young and only just starting into woodwork, an adult neighbour could intimidate him into being quiet beyond what is 'reasonable'. I have met haosiliu235 and, far from thinking he would assert his "rights" unfairly, I am more concerned that exactly the opposite may occur. He is doing his best to reduce the noise, that much is apparent, I want him to know that he is entitled to make reasonable noise and should not feel intimidated into stopping altogether. It is about reasonableness, and this applies to both sides.

You make a good point there, Groggy ... I haven't really thought about the possibility of the neighbour being unreasonable / over-bearing.

On a more practical level, perhaps some forumites have more than ideas they could give to a startup woodie.

Does anyone in the Melb area have good soundproofing material that may be donated to help out?

Some insulating items can be carpet underlay, carpet, foam, insulation, panelling etc.

Where in Melbourne are you haosiliu235? Maybe we can help out a bit here.

HS's garage abuts the neighbour's unit. Prob two brick walls there. Plus swing door and roof are gal iron. It will take some work to deaden the sound.

Negotiating times to make the noise would be far easier though more constraining.

We haven't had a reply back from HS yet on the suggestions made here yet have we? He's got to be comfortable with the strategy as well as his neighbour (who helped moved the saw in btw.).

Edit: OK, yes we have. Sound deadening the preferred first line of defence.]

Originally Posted by Ron Dunn

I'm surprised by some of the impractical/inconsiderate recommendations in this thread.

This "I'm entitled to make noise and p*ss off my neighbours" attitude really gives woodworkers a bad name.

HSL should have taken the close proximity of his neighbours into account before ordering machinery, and perhaps taken up a handtool approach to woodworking.

Hummm . . . I looked at the responses before yours and I summarised them as follows
1 question, 5 comments, 5 general replies , 1 unhelpful responses and 23 constructive suggestions. I'd rate that as overall very positive compared to most non-WWF forum threads (not WWF) I've seen.