Thread: You Tube Channel Recommendations

Originally Posted by doug3030

Who needs youtube? I can get enough entertainment watching the fight in here.

You dont have to know your subject to have a youtube channel or to fight on the internet.

Agree

Regards from Perth

Derek

(long time lurker, but this guy just made me want to comment..)

Originally Posted by derekcohen

The real issue is not this video. It was just an illustration of what is available these days on YouTube. The real issue is that many cannot tell the difference between good and poor. If many woodworkers receive their instruction these days from videos, then it is the reponsibility of experienced woodworkers to guide them to appropriate material. Fori, such as this, are no different, and we would be pulled up here if we offered poor advice. Do you agree?

No the problem is you insulting an entire series of very skilled (in their own field) people that make entertainment videos as being worthless, and the way you do it.

Especially since the channels you do recommend aren't actually instructional channels at all, for example Alec Steele constantly reminds everyone that noone should listen to him or repeat what he is doing at home.

The OP never asked to be apprenticed to a master craftsman, he was just asking for recommendations for videos, and all the channels listed are high quality or very entertaining content.
They might not be master craftsmen, but noone asked for master craftsmen videos.

Commenting that most of those were for entertainment only, and recommending specific channels for in depth high quality craftsmanship would have been fine. Dismissing and insulting people just because they have fun making cool stuff for their hobby project is elitist and scares people away from what is primarily a hobby for fun

I think the problem with youtube is that those who produce content are often; 1. Good at content creation but don't have a lot of woodworking experience, skills or knowledge, aside from the knowledge regurgitated from other youtube channels, not first-hand experience. Also, because of the generally low level of skills of other, often successful, youtubers, the bar is fairly low and encourages relative newbies to woodworking to make content, particularly if they have media and social networking skills; content seems far more accessible then making a living selling furniture. Looking at genuine, award winning furniture quickly raises the bar from typical youtube IMO. I guess those with really high level woodworking skills are typically too busy to create content, are older and less likely to be tech-savy, and if succesful don't need to make youtube videos.

Like Kuffy said, I just don't watch videos if I don't have some respect for the maker, and/or do so to pass the time. FWIW I do enjoy Doucette and Wolfe. I also enjoy listening to the woodwhisperer just because it's entertaining and I enjoy his character, not necessarily because he makes great furniture; horses for courses. I don't think many youtube channels are targeting experienced/highly skilled woodworkers with their content, and that's fine. There are many beginners or people without a great deal of hobby time who get a lot of value out of the simpler / attainable content.

Now I'm a newby so realise I have no pedestal to stand on, or it would be a very unstable one, but that's why I'm not making videos. If I did, I think I would be careful to not try and make people believe I had more experience than I actually had or make statements / show techniques I am ignorant of.

Cheers, Dom

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMw...able_polymer=1
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY-...7g4AtOg/videos

So Derek, guiding the untrained and uncommitted enthusiasts/hobbyists to suitable material starts and finishes with "get an apprenticeship or enrol in registered training". Youtube or blogs or magazine articles or ummm...those paper things, usually lots of pages are only good for quick tips. Tips like "wash the glue off your hands while the glue is still wet" are good for youtube. but things like "this is how to setup and operate a jointer in a safe an efficient manner" cannot be learnt via youtube. There will be some which will be formulating arguments in their heads while they read that until they get to this line "this is how to safely and efficiently wire up a meter box using mains power" <- that's where peoples eyes pop out of their heads screaming, omg! you can't teach that, what if they make a minor mistake ZAP!!!!!!!

As much as I would like to make safety related woodworking content on my own channel (because that crap runs viral so easily), I don't do it. Those that know me and how I work would say that I am no man to be teaching such stuff because I elevate my risks well beyond the comprehension of many. But I do in fact know how to run safely, often it just means more setup time so I say "meh". I don't make the safety videos simply because I am too cheap and lazy to make the video, have it edited again by a few other pros and then viewed by the inexperienced and experienced alike and then questioned those guys to make sure they were picking up what I was putting down correctly. And then above all else, since I wouldn't be in the room with the masses which watch it via youtube I couldn't make sure they were picking it up properly. <- and this is where we come back to the do an apprenticeship or registered training argument. Everything on youtube has to be considered entertainment even when the videos are titled "how to do this with free instructional plans etc etc". All just entertainment and no information.

I could put a disclaimer on my videos saying "for entertainment purposes only, don't try this at home", but it is actually offensive to assume people are dumb enough to monkey see monkey do.

I have a couple of times in the past made comments on youtube videos about serious breaches of safety. The channel owner invariably responds with "Then, where are your videos?" I don't bother anymore. I cannot save the world alone. I'm too old for that now. 20 years ago maybe.

I don't make videos. How I do something is not necessarily how I recommend that someone else does it. We are all at different levels and on different paths. I cringe at some of the things I see on youtube, I marvel at the skill or ingenuity of some youtubers. Sometimes its the same ones that I cringe about. If you think about it there would be no point in it if all it was about was masters of their trade making videos for the viewing pleasure of others who are or at least think they are also masters of their trade. If that was all it was about how would anyone else ever get the basics?

I could watch Paul Sellers all day. He goes slowly and explains things in detail and is very understandable. Beginners and intermediate woodworkers have lots to learn form him, Some say some of his methods and opinions are dubious and controversial but how many other contemporary, living British craftsmen have been commissioned to build furniture for the White House? International recognition at a very high level.

Chris Schwartz, Frank Klausz, wood whisperer, Doug Stowe, Roy Underhill, Matthias Wandell, in no specific order as well as many others are some that I enjoy watching. That does not mean I will copy any of them but I can learn from all of them and pick out the bits I like.

This whole thread would have gone a lot better if people had just done what the OP suggested and identify which channels they enjoy and nobody had expressed their opinion that other people's choices were not worthy of inclusion. As I said at the start, "We are all at different levels and on different paths."

Cheers

Doug

Kuffy, it is interesting that you can ascribe so many comments to me that I have not made - such as "So Derek, guiding the untrained and uncommitted enthusiasts/hobbyists to suitable material starts and finishes with "get an apprenticeship or enrol in registered training", amongst others directives, none of which I seem to have made. I have been around this forum for nearly two decades, and building furniture for a lot longer than that. See if you can find a post that says what you state.

The question is why you are reacting so to my comments that some videos are poor learning videos appears to be that you are taking this personally because you make videos for YouTube: "I don't make the safety videos simply because I am too cheap and lazy to make the video". Now, at no time have I commented on a video of yours, or even implied as much. Your paranoia is your paranoia. That is as much as I shall say because I am trying hard to avoid any personal slights on this thread to you or others, which has not stopped others evidently.

Perhaps I will just leave this thread. I have had my say about which videos I consider worthwhile, and made it clear that a discriminating eye is needed as some are really poor teachers. Clearly we shall differ in our views, and I shall try to respect yours. You try and do the same.

Regards from Perth

Derek

Hi highly disagree with a comment earlier about only watching masters.

I do agree that there are many wannabes out there that may teach or show bad technique. Any skilled tradesman, craftsman or worker would recognise that you can learn from anybody. Thats not that you will learn from everybody or even that everybody has sonething to teach you but people who may not have had formal training or built their skills may be more likely to think outside the box. This is where new ideas often come from. Their ideas may not always work but may inspire you to develop that thought further.

I'm personally subscribed to many of the ones already listed.

I have to go back through the list again but if not mentioned William NG has recently returned to YouTube. I think he is a true craftsman in his field

https://www.youtube.com/user/wnwoodworks

DaveTTC
The Turning Cowboy
Turning Wood Into Art

Wow !!! Just read the rest of the thread. Hmmm

Originally Posted by Kuffy

If you want a big big list of channels which are mostly woodwork related along with some music and other stuff that I have a minor interest in. You can see all of the channels I am subscribed to on my channel hopefully by following this link. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtE...w=list&view=56

Yes I ventured there some time ago, long before this thread. You have some interesting 'other' stuff there [emoji6]. I think I got hooked on one of them.

Originally Posted by doug3030

Who needs youtube? I can get enough entertainment watching the fight in here.

You dont have to know your subject to have a youtube channel or to fight on the internet.

Yeah ... after doing the rest of the thread wondering if I should delete my last post before I become some of the entertainment. (I wont mention Dave's Cave, I may get some mud thrown at me and there is already enough finger painting going on there lol)


DaveTTC
The Turning Cowboy
Turning Wood Into Art

Derek, my comment about guiding people to appropriate training was the answer to your question. "The real issue is that many cannot tell the difference between good and poor. If many woodworkers receive their instruction these days from videos, then it is the reponsibility of experienced woodworkers to guide them to appropriate material. Fori, such as this, are no different, and we would be pulled up here if we offered poor advice. Do you agree?". so do i agree? yeah sure, but it starts and finishes with real training, not amateur videos made by amateurs. So I would guide them to real training supervised by real professionals which have both qualifications in the trade and qualifications in teaching because they are entirely different things. Obviously that means a man such as myself can't train apprentices because I have no qualifications in teaching. but that's why they go to school one day per week so it's all good.

My talk about making safety videos was a example as to why youtube training just won't work. Learning among other people all attempting to learn the same skill/process/machine is much better than bumbling through in your garage after watching a video. We all make mistakes, but those mistakes take time to occur. So if you are by yourself, you might make all 10 big bad mistakes on a single machine over the course of three years. In a learning environment, there is a good chance you will have witnessed 8 of 10 within the afternoon.

dave, my "other stuff" is awesome. Katy Perry is hot and I am not afraid to admit it, though I wonder what other weird stuff was in there. you have me worried now but it's too late so who cares

Originally Posted by Kuffy

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dave, my "other stuff" is awesome. Katy Perry is hot and I am not afraid to admit it, though I wonder what other weird stuff was in there. you have me worried now but it's too late so who cares [/COLOR]

Yeah it might have been her ... shhj dont tell Raechell. Remember, mums the word. Noone knows [emoji23]

DaveTTC
The Turning Cowboy
Turning Wood Into Art

Thanks for the details MM. Useful list.

FFS!!! I didnt start this thread for it to turn into a pi55ing contest!! I asked "Can you please give recommendations for you tube channels or posters. I am particularly interested, obviously, in all things wood shop related" I DID NOT ASK for instructional videos nor did I ask for entertainment videos I was happy to receive both. As for the definition of "instructional" I think it is subjective.. it all depends where you are in the journey of woodworking, what my be instructional to me might be pure entertainment to an 'old hand' I (as the original poster) am happy to receive all recommendations and receive them gratefully. I thank everyone for their contributions, however I dont appreciate a couple of members "hijacking' my post for a round of dick swinging!.... cheers Gary

Gary, for fear something bad might be said about my I refrained but jere goes

https://www.youtube.com/user/DaveTheTurningCowboy

At the moment not a lot of content and what is there is aimed at kids but is adaptable for us big kids pending on where we're at.

In the future I will have more 'mature' content. Eventually I aim to have tool reviews and Building DIY as well.

DaveTTC
The Turning Cowboy
Turning Wood Into Art