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    BobL and tonzeyd, you both make good points. Honestly the thing is i'm not too sure on what exactly i'm wanting to build at the moment, what I do know is that I would really like to continue making furniture, which i'm not sure will help with determining which tool first. I am moving out next year into a new place which i think i've mentioned and hoping to build on a small workshop and acquire tools slowly but surely. The new place excites me quite a bit as it means i'll be able to create furniture to suit the house as well which is incredibly exciting. That being said i'm just trying to figure out my first and most necessary stationary tool that i will need. Thinking about it again now I think i am leaning towards a table saw for the more precise square cuts. which I guess leads me to my next dilemma of choosing the right table saw. I'm willing to spend a bit of money on it but only to a certain extent that I wont need to end up selling a limb for it either. Do any of you have any suggestions?

    I've looked into the following for TS's:

    10" Sherwood Contractor saw
    https://www.timbecon.com.au/sawing/t...ontractors-saw

    10" Sherwood hybrid cabinet saw
    https://www.timbecon.com.au/sawing/t...id-cabinet-saw

    10" Carbatec cabinet saw
    https://www.carbatec.com.au/machiner...-code-mj2325ct

    Dewalt jobsite table saw DE745
    https://www.bunnings.com.au/dewalt-1...e-saw_p6260316

    Dewalt jobsite table saw DE7491
    https://www.justtools.com.au/dewalt-254mm-table-saw-2000w-bonus-blade-dwe7491-xe

    Initially I was convinced with one of the Dewalt job sites and now i'm slowly leaning towards a bigger more robust saw. My budget for a saw is $2000 or less but i maybe able to push it up to $2500 depending on whether or not how convinced I am. With regards to the saws above i'm a little conflicted especially with the Sherwood brand as i've her good and bad things about it and hoping to see what other people thing as well as if anyone else has any other recommendations/suggestion for my budget and requirements. I'm very much open to other suggests and really do appreciate them!

    Kind Regards,
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    I'm slightly biased towards Carbatec so I'll say go with the Carb unit. Never had good luck with Timbecon and have been stuffed around by them numerous times in the past... long story.

    The only issue with that saw is it requires a 15amp circuit, I've heard people swapping the plugs over but I'm not a pro in the area so probably would seek advice from a sparky in that aspect. Getting a place wired up for 15 amps is quite pricey and unless you're in a permanent spot for a while probably isn't worth it.

    There's nothing wrong with having a smaller table saw, as you can easily build infeed/outfeed tables to accomodate them. Even with larger saws you'll need them at some point. Many mobile carpenters use the Dewalt as their saw of choice and given that they build custom inbuilts with it, its definitely a capable unit. The downside with mobile saws is dust collection which is important consideration in a confined space

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    Hi Amanda,

    I have the 10" Sherwood Contractor saw, I wouldn't recommend it for furniture making, it can be fiddly to accurately adjust.
    It is built to a price, so it has a number of compromises in it's design, like pressed steel wings and a two piece front rail (connected with a plastic insert).
    Additionally, the supplied blade would make a good decoration and you will need to also factor in the price of a decent mitre gauge.

    It's main advantage is it is very quiet - which was an important factor for me, and I can live with its limitations.

    The 10" Sherwood hybrid cabinet saw looks much better in these regards, but it is only 2HP.
    I would imagine that plenty of people have or have used the Carbatec saw (so hopefully they will speak up), and it has the advantage of the optional sliding cross-cut table.

    If your neighbors are close, get a saw with an induction motor over a jobsite saw (universal motor) - the difference in noise is significant.

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers, Jeff






    Quote Originally Posted by AmateurAmanda View Post
    BobL and tonzeyd, you both make good points. Honestly the thing is i'm not too sure on what exactly i'm wanting to build at the moment, what I do know is that I would really like to continue making furniture, which i'm not sure will help with determining which tool first. I am moving out next year into a new place which i think i've mentioned and hoping to build on a small workshop and acquire tools slowly but surely. The new place excites me quite a bit as it means i'll be able to create furniture to suit the house as well which is incredibly exciting. That being said i'm just trying to figure out my first and most necessary stationary tool that i will need. Thinking about it again now I think i am leaning towards a table saw for the more precise square cuts. which I guess leads me to my next dilemma of choosing the right table saw. I'm willing to spend a bit of money on it but only to a certain extent that I wont need to end up selling a limb for it either. Do any of you have any suggestions?

    I've looked into the following for TS's:

    10" Sherwood Contractor saw
    https://www.timbecon.com.au/sawing/t...ontractors-saw

    10" Sherwood hybrid cabinet saw
    https://www.timbecon.com.au/sawing/t...id-cabinet-saw

    10" Carbatec cabinet saw
    https://www.carbatec.com.au/machiner...-code-mj2325ct

    Dewalt jobsite table saw DE745
    https://www.bunnings.com.au/dewalt-1...e-saw_p6260316

    Dewalt jobsite table saw DE7491
    https://www.justtools.com.au/dewalt-254mm-table-saw-2000w-bonus-blade-dwe7491-xe

    Initially I was convinced with one of the Dewalt job sites and now i'm slowly leaning towards a bigger more robust saw. My budget for a saw is $2000 or less but i maybe able to push it up to $2500 depending on whether or not how convinced I am. With regards to the saws above i'm a little conflicted especially with the Sherwood brand as i've her good and bad things about it and hoping to see what other people thing as well as if anyone else has any other recommendations/suggestion for my budget and requirements. I'm very much open to other suggests and really do appreciate them!

    Kind Regards,
    Amanda

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    With buying "long term" equipment like this, I have one thought in my mind - that is, providing you are absolutely sure you want whatever tool it is, buy the best you can possibly afford.

    (1) You will invariably buy better quality
    (2) Working with cheaper tools, which often are fiddlier and less accurate will contribute toward frustrations - something you would possibly want to avoid especially if this is something you want to do to relax and enjoy
    (3) Resale values on said equipment will be higher, and hold longer, if you purchase quality that is sought after (e.g. Festool vs Black & Decker)

    With this in mind, and given your stated budget, I would consider:

    https://www.carbatec.com.au/machiner...skid-2-cartons

    or

    https://www.carbatec.com.au/machiner...luminium-fence

    And before someone might come along deriding the Saw Stop - I will say a couple of things:

    (1) Mistakes happen and
    (2) If they happen to you, money in your pockets cannot replace fingers with which to spend it.

    Just my humble opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmateurAmanda View Post
    I am moving out next year into a new place which i think i've mentioned and hoping to build on a small workshop and acquire tools slowly but surely. The new place excites me quite a bit as it means i'll be able to create furniture to suit the house as well which is incredibly exciting.
    Do you know the place you are going to? Does it have a shed or work are? Do you know the size of the work area and power is available in the work area. Is it your own place i.e. can you drill holes in the wall? If not then I would wait until you know more about these before buying anything.

    A gentle reminder that a Table saw requires a dust collector (not a vacuum cleaner) to be running simultaneously and this also draws power and before buying suggest you check out the power availability in the work area. If the work area comes with a single 10A or even multiple 10A outlets you need to check if the work area outlets are on their own circuit or on an existing circuit hosting other outlets in the house. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonzeyd View Post
    I'm slightly biased towards Carbatec so I'll say go with the Carb unit. Never had good luck with Timbecon and have been stuffed around by them numerous times in the past... long story.

    That's so interesting because I feel like i'm the opposite, more because of the customer service than anything as well as the fact that I can get a student discount from Timbecon

    Thank you for your input none the less though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffen View Post
    Hi Amanda,

    I have the 10" Sherwood Contractor saw, I wouldn't recommend it for furniture making, it can be fiddly to accurately adjust.

    Cheers, Jeff

    Thanks so much for that Jeff, that definitely helps me cross an option out especially with how indecisive I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Man View Post
    With buying "long term" equipment like this, I have one thought in my mind - that is, providing you are absolutely sure you want whatever tool it is, buy the best you can possibly afford.

    (1) You will invariably buy better quality
    (2) Working with cheaper tools, which often are fiddlier and less accurate will contribute toward frustrations - something you would possibly want to avoid especially if this is something you want to do to relax and enjoy
    (3) Resale values on said equipment will be higher, and hold longer, if you purchase quality that is sought after (e.g. Festool vs Black & Decker)

    With this in mind, and given your stated budget, I would consider:

    https://www.carbatec.com.au/machiner...skid-2-cartons

    or

    https://www.carbatec.com.au/machiner...luminium-fence

    And before someone might come along deriding the Saw Stop - I will say a couple of things:

    (1) Mistakes happen and
    (2) If they happen to you, money in your pockets cannot replace fingers with which to spend it.

    Just my humble opinion.
    Thanks for your response! I 100% agree with what you're saying and honestly just wish money would grow on trees at this point so I could just get the best of the best but i'm having to make do which kinda sucks but hopefully it'll get the ball rolling! I've actually started looking into the Laguna Fusion aswell, what are your thoughts on that? https://www.gregmach.com/product/lag...n-10-tablesaw/

    Also reading some comments I've come to the decision that a quiet machine would be ideal and of preference which I believe relies on the induction motor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    Do you know the place you are going to? Does it have a shed or work are? Do you know the size of the work area and power is available in the work area. Is it your own place i.e. can you drill holes in the wall? If not then I would wait until you know more about these before buying anything.

    A gentle reminder that a Table saw requires a dust collector (not a vacuum cleaner) to be running simultaneously and this also draws power and before buying suggest you check out the power availability in the work area. If the work area comes with a single 10A or even multiple 10A outlets you need to check if the work area outlets are on their own circuit or on an existing circuit hosting other outlets in the house. etc.

    No unfortunately not quite yet, However I am trying to find a place with an enclosed garage whereby I can start this workshop and this will be in Febuary 2018 when I do move so i am just trying to prepare myself for whats out there in the market and seeing if I can get any steals with the upcoming holiday season sales.

    You make some incredibly good points that I would of completely forgotten about, I think ideally to be safe it would have to a machine that is able to run on the average Australian power outlet as i've heard that upgrading it can be a big and fairly costly job which I would ideally like to avoid.

    Thank you for that as that is really helpful for me as electricity and that sorta thing really isnt my strong suit. I will try and do some more research on this too.

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    Amanda

    I strongly suggest that you DO NOT buy any major power tools until you know the power situation where you will be living from February 2018.
    It's quite possible that the power into an enclosed garage attached to a rental is lights only -- typically an 8 Amp circuit -- or a single 10 amp outlet wired as part of the power point circuit for the rest of the house. For example, if you have a dusty running in the garage, switching the jug on in the kitchen could tip the circuit.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

    ian

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    There is an interesting short video from FWW on Vic Tesolin's workshop. Vic has a blog called the Minimalist Woodworker. I suspect that many believe "minimalist" refers to having few tools. Certainly, when Vic showed us the first of his workshops, this is what one got. His workshop was tiny and he could not fit in more than a few hand tools. My understanding of minimalist is that one has tools (any types) for what one does, and no more. More recently (about a year ago, I think), Vic moved to a larger house, and now has all the space he needs. He has included machinery ... but not a table saw, interestingly. Instead, he has a 14" bandsaw and a Festool tracksaw. Basically, his argument is that the bandsaw does the ripping, and all a table saw does is crosscutting (which is a reflection of his training). A dedicated tracksaw does as good a job with crosscutting and takes up less space. His discusses this in the video tour ..

    Shop Tour: Vic Tesolin - FineWoodworking

    Regards from Perth

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    second Derek's and Vic's comments re the versatility of a track saw and MFT -- note Vic's set-up would be close to equivalent in cost to a table saw
    what you gain is a big reduction in foot print compared to a table saw
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Where is the delete function?

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    Hi,
    I say nothing, I am happy with my Triton 2000.
    Best of luck diving in at the deep end.
    Regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmateurAmanda View Post
    That's so interesting because I feel like i'm the opposite, more because of the customer service than anything as well as the fact that I can get a student discount from Timbecon

    Thank you for your input none the less though!
    Not sure what the Timbecon is like in Melbourne, but AFAIK the guy that owns the Perth one owns the Melb one also. The one in Perth their service is good when you go and buy their stuff but their aftercare is horrible. Having said that I've never needed Carbatec's aftercare service.

    However I suggest taking the trip out to both stores and have a good look/feel/play with whatever machine you want to go with. There are alot of areas that can be used to cut costs on a particular item, some of these areas are not important some are. Eg cast iron table top, motor quality, drive belts, finish, vibration absorbtion, dust extraction, materials used in construction, true rated performance, etc etc.

    In general i find timbecon stuff a little bit behind the quality of Carbatec stuff, but on the other hand some stuff is better. It comes down to what you're willing to live with and what you're willing to spend.

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