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1st Apr 2006, 11:13 AM
|  | Drop Bear Master | | Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Drop Bear Capital of Gippsland (Lang Lang) Vic Australia Age: 60
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The latest Australian Woodsmith has a plan for a bookcase using veneered ply, very nice, just what we are after for our reno's and would fit in nicely.
Now, trying to find veneered ply, 18mm or thereabouts is proving to be a bleeding nightmare, plenty of veneered MDF or chipboard.
What I want to know is, can I use chipboard, will it be as strong? will it accepte the joints without breaking.
I have built most things out of solid timber, except the kitchen and that was very simple butt joints but this one is somewhat perplexing.
Any recomendations.
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1st Apr 2006, 12:17 PM
|  | Luban White | | Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Victoria
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could you not veneer some ply yourself? shouldnt be all that hard and gives you a mich wider choice of veneers.
I'd steer away from chipboard myself.. its horrid stuff that never lasts imho.
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1st Apr 2006, 03:18 PM
|  | Looking for the "any" key | | Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brisbane - Northside Age: 35
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Originally Posted by Iain Now, trying to find veneered ply, 18mm or thereabouts is proving to be a bleeding nightmare, plenty of veneered MDF or chipboard.
What I want to know is, can I use chipboard, will it be as strong? will it accepte the joints without breaking. | Hi Iain,
While I can't help you with the joinery question, have you tried Brims for the veneered ply? They are not cheap but they have an excellent range of veneers and thicknesses.
Cheers,
Krunchy |
1st Apr 2006, 04:48 PM
|  | Member | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ch Ch NZ
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| | MDF Veneer
I have made lots of book cases with mdf veneer,as well as other furiture.
The secret is to clash all edges that can be seen.I use biscuits to align the clashing then use block plane to get exact fit and then sand with with a 4" belt sander using 120 grit. |
1st Apr 2006, 04:55 PM
| | Drop Bear Master | | Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Drop Bear Capital of Gippsland (Lang Lang) Vic Australia Age: 60
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Edging is not a problem, there will be a solid timber surround on the fron and a timber top and base which will hide the edges.
Will have a look at Brims and see if anyone locally stocks it.
I could veneer myself but confess that, although I have done it on restoration work it is not a task I enjoy, it is not a pleasure, just a bloody achievement when it's finally done.
Just the prospect of chipboard gives it the 'Ikea' touch, and that is not a touch I like.
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1st Apr 2006, 05:00 PM
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Brian,
what do you mean by "clashing"?:confused:
Mick
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1st Apr 2006, 05:11 PM
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Iain try Amerind in your state. I've ordered veneered ply from them on many occasions.
If you have a problem, PM me and will have it delivered on my account. All you will have to do is pay by way of credit card prior to delivery. |
1st Apr 2006, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Iain The latest Australian Woodsmith has a plan for a bookcase using veneered ply, very nice, just what we are after for our reno's and would fit in nicely.
Now, trying to find veneered ply, 18mm or thereabouts is proving to be a bleeding nightmare, plenty of veneered MDF or chipboard.
What I want to know is, can I use chipboard, will it be as strong? will it accepte the joints without breaking.
I have built most things out of solid timber, except the kitchen and that was very simple butt joints but this one is somewhat perplexing.
Any recomendations. | Hi Iain,
Have you looked a Brims ( http://www.brims.com.au/index.htm)? Mind you, the price might not be all that different than solid timber
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1st Apr 2006, 11:55 PM
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I'm halfway through making same bookcase, but with different dimensions. Looks great. Have used Brims 18mm veneered. They reckon that it does not swell if it gets wet, which for me is a real boon, as I intend to use it by a windon that I forget to shut occassionally.
Cost varies depending on the veneer. Mine was $110 for a 2400x1200 sheet.
Tony. |
2nd Apr 2006, 05:46 AM
| | Drop Bear Master | | Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Drop Bear Capital of Gippsland (Lang Lang) Vic Australia Age: 60
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Thanks all, Mick. I too am wondering what clashing is, a NZ terminology???
Tony, where did you get your ply.
Ironically I went to plyboard distributors who only sell chipboard veneer:confused: , possibly time for a namechange.
Will have a look at Brims when I get home.
4.45am and off to another bloody horse event, gof I wish they would run civilised hours.
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2nd Apr 2006, 03:02 PM
|  | gentleman woodworker | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NSW Age: 61
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Iain, I get my veneered ply from the "Mr Ply" chain. They have a range available ex stock and have had some veneered for me so that the same veneer was fixed to 2 different ply thicknesses. I don't know where the nearest Mt Ply would be to you but they are worth finding, Fletty |
2nd Apr 2006, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by journeyman Mick Brian,
what do you mean by "clashing"?:confused:
Mick | Mick,sorry,I meant to put that info on here as I know we all have different words for these things.
Clashing = edgbanding.I use about 30 to 40 ml. |
2nd Apr 2006, 03:46 PM
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I would like to emphasize that I use mdf veneer,not chipboard. |
3rd Apr 2006, 09:20 AM
| | Drop Bear Master | | Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Drop Bear Capital of Gippsland (Lang Lang) Vic Australia Age: 60
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Just called Brims in Knoxfield, 2400 x 1200 18mm Tas Oak ply, $250.00:eek:
particle board $90+.
In veneer thats almost double the price of solid timber for the project, the cabinet is 1.8 high by about 240mm deep, 1 m wide, 4 shelves.
In 140mm x 19mm Tas Oak at $7 metre that equates to about 20 metres = $140.
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3rd Apr 2006, 11:00 AM
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Check out http://www.constructionplywoods.com.au/ under interior plywood (they do Tas. Oak, Blackwood and White Amer. Oak).
They are in Airport West - a bit out of the way for you and I Iain however I have found their prices to be the best in Melbourne and their staff are friendly and helpful. Only real disadvantage other than distance is that they are only open weekdays.
Hope this helps,
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