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23rd November 2009, 03:42 PM #1Senior Member
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Who's soundproofed their workshop?
Hi all,
I'm buying a new house and a big factor for me is proximity to neighbours and workshop noise. I've been on the hunt for a house with only deaf neighbours, but the real estate agents keep telling me it's not likely to happen . But I suspect they're just not 'can do' people!
I mostly do my woodwork in the evenings (after work) and often find trying to be quiet very limiting. Eg I can't use the thicknesser/mitre saw/router/ cause they all scream. Air compressor noise is a biggy too, and even bashing on a chisel to cut a mortise is dam noisy at 10pm when the outside world is all quiet. Tried cutting metal with an angle grinder while idol is on the tellie next door? What's the point in all those tools and nice machines if I can't use em when I have time to use them!
So it's time to get serious! If its just not doable, I'm going to have to put up rather than shut up, and buy a house on a big block of land...much much further out of town so the neighbours are at least too far away for me to hear them complain when I work at night! But that means a long commute to work etc etc.
What do you reckon...is it doable, or should buy where cows are my only neighbours?
My gut tells me that for about 5k I could soundproof a 6*12 shed to a good level. I'm thinking a carefully selected dense insulation in the walls and ceiling, then line it with some type of fibre board, than put up a second internal skin mounted on rubber topped spacers, making an air gap of an inch or so between the internal wall and the structure of the shed. Then chuck in an A/C so I can work in there with it all shut up.
I could also put all machines and workbenches that generate vibration on rubber matts to isolate that vibration from being transferred through the slab to the structure.
But what about windows and double roller doors? I think they'll be the weakpoint and have no idea how to soundproof those. Maybe just rip out the windows and have lots of lights since I work at night mostly anyway. Daylight doesn't help me much as it is.
- So, what have you tried to soundproof your shed?
- How well did it work?
- What would you do if you had about 5k to spend on it?
- Any other ideas?
- Should I not bother trying and move to the sticks?
Greg
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23rd November 2009, 04:12 PM #2Senior Member
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Forgot to mention that I'll probably change a couple of machines for models that don't make as much noise.
Specifically a new thicknesser with a induction motor (I have a Jet screamer) and I'd consider helix cutters.
I think metabo make a mitre saw with a induction motor too, but I can't seem to find it on their website.
***edit*** found it: http://www.justtools.com.au/prod798.htm
Cheers
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23rd November 2009, 05:33 PM #3
I am not too sure how soundproof my workshop is, I have nearly finished lining it. it is 8x6x2.7.
The walls are insulated with 2.5 fibreglass batts, then covered with 12mm plasterboard, the ceiling has the same 2.5 batts covered with 3mm MDF.
When I mounteed the plaster and the MDF, I attached some 2x1 pine battons to the top hat sections first. These also aided in holding the batts in place.
After lining, I believe the weak spots in relation to sound escaping are the window, PA door and the main roller door.
The window I dont think I can do anything with, the PA door can be lined with MDF over 2.5 batts, the roller door is again another issue re: noise reduction.
The main machinery I use in the evening (nothing loud after 8pm) is the lathe and the air compressor.
Any cutting I manage to get done between 5:30 and 7pm.I try and do new things twice.. the first time to see if I can do it.. the second time to see if I like it
Kev
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24th November 2009, 04:01 AM #4
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Well if you are looking at spending 5K on the exercise you might find the services of an Acoustic Consultant helpfull. They will be able to visit your location and understand what kinds of sound you want to block out(certain high pitched frequencies) and prepare a short brief of what you could do and what kind wall build up with a certain type of insulation would work best. Try the yellow pages.
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24th November 2009, 04:22 AM #5SENIOR MEMBER
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A cheaper clone version of the Metabo is sold by Trade Tools direct see:
TradeTools Direct - Serious Tools...Seriously Discounted!
I have one of these quiet machines and did a little review here https://www.woodworkforums.com/f171/s...review-100781/:
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24th November 2009, 04:33 AM #6SENIOR MEMBER
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I forgot to mention that apart from machining timber, one of the loudest noises in my workshop was coming from the industrial vacuum cleaner which operates while attached to sanders, joiners etc. The cheapies are absolute screamers. We often don't realise how long we have these things operating for.
That was one of the reasons I took the plunge on a Festool vac. The noise is far less invasive of the surroundings. There may be cheaper quiet alternatives or even vacs with adjustable suction which can be toned down when maximum suction is not required.
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24th November 2009, 05:13 AM #7Hewer of wood
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5k is a lot to drop on a shed that you might have to leave or be kicked out of.
Cheers, Ern
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24th November 2009, 12:03 PM #8Senior Member
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24th November 2009, 12:07 PM #9Senior Member
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24th November 2009, 12:10 PM #10Senior Member
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That's a good idea. I might do that if it's not too expensive. My main worry is spending all that money doing the soundproofing, only to find out it's doesn't work well enough and I still can't work at night. That would be a waste of money . Hopefully an expert can make sure I implement the best soundproofing for the structure and types of noises I make.
Cheers
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24th November 2009, 12:32 PM #11Senior Member
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I think trying to soundproof the shed will be very difficult, as someone pointed out especially the roller and PA door.
It might be easier to make a sound proof room within the shed but that may not be possible from a practical point of view i.e. you may not have the space.
Is the shed also the garage that needs to have vehicle accesss? If so, much harder.So many ideas........so little skill........
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24th November 2009, 12:32 PM #12SENIOR MEMBER
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It may not be an issue but be careful re council and shed. They may not consider a shed workshop should operate after a specific time sound proofed or not.
This may be part and parcel on how the shed building application goes to council as well, ie shed or workshop.
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24th November 2009, 02:15 PM #13Senior Member
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24th November 2009, 02:47 PM #14Member
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Just a thought but if the roller door is difficult to insulate, why not have a sliding door, especially if it is not for vehicles etc.
I've got one on my 4.5m wide shed so the opening is half that width. There is some thickness to the frame so you could insulate it. I prefer the slider because there is more usable space behind it and you don't need a separate PA door.
Garry
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24th November 2009, 07:20 PM #15
Check the Renovation forum - info on soundproofing there.
Basically (working from memory) two layers of standard plasterboard, mounted on a metal track that is secured through rubber isolating bushes and a layer of rockwool insulation in the cavity.
About your only option for the garage door - if it's a panellift door - is to can glue polystyrene foam to it.
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