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    Anyone know much about the different type of screws out there?

    The rear of the arm gets attached to the rear leg with a 75mm long screw. It's recommended to use spax screws like these: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...3NRC4FNAYBUGQN

    Has anybody got any suggestions as to what may be a good alternative? I assume they recommend spax screws because they give a firm hold? Is there anything out there on the market that bites into the timber more so than other screws? The head must be 3/8" as that's the size of my plug cutter that I'll be using to fill the holes.

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    From memory screwit screws sell a similar product
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    If you're not in too much of a rush, I can send you some of the spax screws but won't be able to till Thursday unfortunately. If interested let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurcorh View Post
    If you're not in too much of a rush, I can send you some of the spax screws but won't be able to till Thursday unfortunately. If interested let me know.
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    I've been working on the spindles and arms over the past week. The spindles are ALOT of work!! The bottom portion get a 1/2" round tenon and the top has a 3/8" tenon. It took me an hour for the first tenon, 45 minutes for the second one, so hopefully I cut the time down even further. It's quite common for spindles to break so I've decided to cut the tenons first then sculpt.

    I've also scooped the seat out even more. It's definitely a work in progress the seat, but I think it will be well worth it in the end.


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    In reality I'd love to get more time in the shop, but this little one keeps me very busy!!
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    Gorgeous. Both chair and child

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lappa View Post
    Gorgeous. Both chair and child
    No, she’s gorgeous and the chair is just beautiful craftsmanship

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    Goodness, she is growing fast, Andy
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    Great work on both Andy, chair is going well and your beautiful daughter looks like a keeper to me
    How are you doing the tenons for the spindles?
    Are you using one of these?
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    Thanks mate.

    Yep, I'm using the 1/2" tenon cutter for the lower tenons and the 3/8" one for the top tenons. These are on loan from Tony.

    The 1/2" cutter only works for about 1/3 to 1/2 of the tenon, then it won't go any further due to the taper in the spindle. So I use rasps and scrapers to get the tenon length that I need. The 3/8" tenons will be easier as there is little to no taper.

    Firstly use my grinder to remove excess material.


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    Then tenon cutter, rasps and scrapers to get the desired tenon length.

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    Thanks for the explanation Andy, I'll probably start mine next year and this will help when I get to that point in the build. Not a simple as it sounds.

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    There is always a whole lot more to it than meets the eye.

    Great work Andy.
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    I've finished "rough"sculpting the arms and have now permanently attached the arms to the chair.
    I used a scrap bit of ply with a cut out to get good clamping pressure from front to back.

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    Next will be blending in the arms to the legs. This involves lots of hand work and patience but should be a good challenge. The plan is to sculpt the underside of the arm in a way to create a hard line that flows through the arm and into the leg. I've uploaded a pic of someone else's rocker that describes it better.

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    I want the other edges of the seat to be deeper. How deep I really couldn't tell you, I seem to sculpt a little bit away every few weeks. The pommel hasn't been touched either, I still need to work out what I want to do with it.

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    It's difficult to know when a seat is just right, Andy, it's easy to under-do it, but I've seen a few that I thought were overdone & they looked rather angular & un-pretty to my eye. For more 'ordinary' Windsor seats, I've got a few templates that I use, and I follow a suggestion I saw in a mag eons ago. I've marked some depths on them at strategic points & use a Forstner bit to make a hole to that depth (including the point). These give me a fixed reference to work to & ensure that I go to the full depth and maintain consistency if I'm doing a set. But that's not much help when you are doing a one-off, when you haven't yet established what you want. For a magnum opus like this chair, I think I would've done a mock-up of the seat in some rubbish but easily-worked wood, to get an idea of shape & depth. That way I could go at the mock-up a bit at a time, then do the same on the 'good' seat until I was satisfied. If you over-do the mock-up, or remove wood from the wrong place it should be pretty obvious before it's too late.

    Having the seat sitting there in the raw state for so long as you have is both good & bad. Good because you've got the chance to re-evaluate before the finish goes on, but you'll have to make a call of 'enough' at some stage. Make sure you give it the bum test as well as the eye test - the latter is critical when the chair is empty, but the former is much more critical when it's in use.

    It's always so much harder on the first chair - by the time you get to #4 or #5 it'll be second-nature...
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanW View Post
    It's difficult to know when a seat is just right, Andy, it's easy to under-do it, but I've seen a few that I thought were overdone & they looked rather angular & un-pretty to my eye. For more 'ordinary' Windsor seats, I've got a few templates that I use, and I follow a suggestion I saw in a mag eons ago. I've marked some depths on them at strategic points & use a Forstner bit to make a hole to that depth (including the point). These give me a fixed reference to work to & ensure that I go to the full depth and maintain consistency if I'm doing a set. But that's not much help when you are doing a one-off, when you haven't yet established what you want. For a magnum opus like this chair, I think I would've done a mock-up of the seat in some rubbish but easily-worked wood, to get an idea of shape & depth. That way I could go at the mock-up a bit at a time, then do the same on the 'good' seat until I was satisfied. If you over-do the mock-up, or remove wood from the wrong place it should be pretty obvious before it's too late.

    Having the seat sitting there in the raw state for so long as you have is both good & bad. Good because you've got the chance to re-evaluate before the finish goes on, but you'll have to make a call of 'enough' at some stage. Make sure you give it the bum test as well as the eye test - the latter is critical when the chair is empty, but the former is much more critical when it's in use.

    It's always so much harder on the first chair - by the time you get to #4 or #5 it'll be second-nature...
    Cheers,
    The seat will probably be one of the last things that I finish on the chair as it doesn't hold up the build. The arms of course need to be shaped and blended in with the legs so I can shape them, then shape the legs into the headrest so I can move forward with the chair.

    The mock up of the seat is a great idea, it would certainly give me more confidence in sculpting the chair. The only issue with that is although I might be happy with how the seat looks on it's own, when I add in the remainder of the components would I still like it? it's something I may consider on the next one I do. In regards to drilling holes for depth and consistency when shaping, there's a guy in Canada (Paul Lamenski I think), and he does just that. Again, it's something I can consider for the next one.

    It's funny that you mention sitting in the seat and making sure it feels right. I spend so much time looking at the shape and design to make sure it looks pleasing, but it's easy to forget that it's going to be sat in and needs to be comfortable.


    This is Sam with one of his rockers. It's probably my favourite chair that he has made. I think he nailed the proportions, curves and shape.

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