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    Guess i am not the only one with frustration.
    In an ideal world, I would want to use real timber for all parts, but it's just way too expensive.
    The moment, you quote someone over $1000, they will simply think it's ridiculous.
    Even recycling timber is ridiculous, the prices have jumped significantly.

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    any suggestions on how to join narrower boards eg 100mm for a 600mm sideboard?

    In the past, I've always had problem with the boards being uneven when glued up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wwf9984 View Post
    Guess i am not the only one with frustration.
    In an ideal world, I would want to use real timber for all parts, but it's just way too expensive.
    The moment, you quote someone over $1000, they will simply think it's ridiculous.
    Even recycling timber is ridiculous, the prices have jumped significantly.
    with respect I find this type of discussion frustrating, disappointing and a little sad.

    I know people who specified and paid for a built-in book case (3m high by 4m long) made of solid blackwood. Veneered particle board with solid wood lipping would have been as functional (and much more economical in terms of timber usage), but in no way did they go solid wood is too expensive. The sad part is when they sell the house, the new owner is likely to strip the construction and heave it into a skip bin.

    Both the items below retail for well over $200. They are very simple to make, but look great. I don't think their makers are complaining that clients are not willing to pay the asking price.





    I'm currently living in a furnished rental house.
    the furniture in the main bedroom is mostly veneered MDF with solid wood in parts. The veneer on the dressing table top is showing it's age, but when new the unit have looked very expensive -- the veneer is laid in a herringbone pattern, with cross hatch veneer on the [MDF] drawer fronts -- and no doubt the owner didn't quibble at paying through the nose for what is essentially a few dollars of MDF that was veneered in the maker's shop.

    It is the way the veneer is laid -- a herringbone pattern -- is what makes the unit special and hence expensive.


    As I mentioned above, if a maker is trying to replicate what is available from Ikea or Freedom, they can't expect to sell for much more than what those flat pack retailers charge.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

    ian

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    Quote Originally Posted by wwf9984 View Post
    any suggestions on how to join narrower boards eg 100mm for a 600mm sideboard?

    In the past, I've always had problem with the boards being uneven when glued up.
    you can use dominos or biscuits to help align boards for a glue up.

    You can also use cauls to keep the boards aligned.
    However, it is not reasonable to expect a perfect result out of the clamps.
    But with care you should have a glue up suitable for finishing using a wide drum sander.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by wwf9984 View Post
    any suggestions on how to join narrower boards eg 100mm for a 600mm sideboard?
    If you have access to a 24" thicknesser or wide-belt sander. just slap em together with some glue and take out the misalignment with the machinery. easy mode

    If your like me and only have a 12" thicknesser and nothing wider, I would do 600mm wide panels in two panels ~303mm wide. Slap happy, harry hack, for the first two ~300mm wide panels. and then thickness both faces flat and joint an edge and join those two wider panels together perfectly.

    To join perfectly, you can use cawls as Ian suggests, but I find them to be a royal pain in the.... So what i do is setup the boards with glue in the clamps (craptastic bessey parallel clamps) and very lightly tighten the center clamp just to bring the boards together. Then i get Irwin quickgrip clamps and clamp down the ends of the join to make the very end of the panel properly aligned. Then i lightly tighten all the clamps. check for uneveness and give the high boards a smack with a rubber mallet to bring them in line and tighten the clamp a little more. eventually everything is nice n even and I can tighten the clamps until I strip the threads or snap my wrists. I did this yesterday with 2 panels 1050x430x20 and used a torchlight and straightedge to see how well i did. was bloody perfect, and i mean perfect....though a day has past by and there not perfect anymore. ah well

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    Sound exactly what I'd do.
    Or alternatively use plywood with veneer then it's relatively flat. And just edge with real wood or even banding

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    Maybe buy, or better yet make, some of these:

    Clamp, wood, woodworking, caul - The Bowclamp ®

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    Quote Originally Posted by wwf9984 View Post
    The problem i'm having is marketing my furnitures.

    When people are constantly comparing a wood furniture, which would cost $500-1000 simply for wood to something that's like in Freedom.
    to return to this ...

    I was in Calgary today with some time to kill while the car was being serviced and looked into a store called Industrial Elements.
    The furniture is not Ikea or Feedom flat pack, but then again it's not what I would term "fine furniture" either.

    This table

    for example is $2750 Canadian PLUS GST.
    the top is made from six 150 x 40 mm boards, glued together to form two 450mm wide planks with one live edge. Imperfections in the boards are filled with what looks like black tinted epoxy, with the checks and splits held closed by dovetail keys.
    The two 450mm planks are positioned about 15mm apart and joined with a row of dovetail keys.
    The legs look a lot these cast iron ones sold by Lee Valley


    There would be well under $1000 of material in the structure.


    and this sideboard

    is essentially a recycled packing crate selling for $1650 (plus tax).


    I would suggest that there's little in the way of mass production economies of scale in either piece.
    More it's canny marketing.

    and by the way, with the crude oil price hovering around USD $30 a barrel the local economy is in real pain.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

    ian

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