Thread: The workshop from Heaven ... or Hell ...!?

droll on the workshop, I wish i could use hand tools

...wiping drool from keyboard...
Bugga you darksiders, I'll admit i'll prossy myself for those little Martin jobbies..
Yours salivating

Thanks for that Derek. What an expense to fit out that shop! There is a big learning curve to be able to use that machinery properly and unless there is extensive useage then, in my opinion, the whole thing is just pointless and useless.

I achieve satisfaction by being able to work around a problem methodically or in a way that perhaps I haven't done before. Whether it is by hand, or aided by a machine or tool is beside the point. Obtaining the desired result, possibly by some lateral thinking, rather than as in this workshop having a tool dedicated to every purpose, in my opinion requires far greater skill and effort. Plus it is far more satisfying.

This workshop looks very nice. It is not for me as woodwork is a pastime where I am trying to unwind, rather than an occupation.

I don't really care for the arguments about tools, it is a hobby. As a hobby it should be enjoyable, whether you work with adzes or Agazannis it is up to the individual to obtain their entertainment however they like it, provided it does not impact on others, why not?

I wish I had the hand skills of Roy Underhill, the finesse with a plane of Garrett Hack, the design & execution of Tom Plamann and the workshop of that guy in the video, but I don't. Yet I remain happy, I enjoy what I have and share tools with friends when needed.

I don't really care for the arguments about tools, it is a hobby. As a hobby it should be enjoyable, whether you work with adzes or Agazannis it is up to the individual to obtain their entertainment however they like it, provided it does not impact on others, why not?

Hi Groggy

Keep in mind that is my opinion about my involvement in woodworking .. not intended to reflect an opinion about the involvement of others. To each his/her own, absolutely.

To be clear, the video is intended to make you aware of what interests you, but it is not about the tools. It is about how you approach woodworking with whatever tools you use.

I do expect that handtool and power uses (if one can separate all into such extreme groups, for most of us use both) differ in regard to goal. Most handtoolers are likely to be focussed on the journey, while most power users are more likely to be focussed on the destination. That is not a criticism, just a commentary. It is also an opening for discussion with, hopefully, some interesting observations form forum members.

Regards from Perth

Derek

Groggy, that is!

That workshop is probably worth more than my house!!

Originally Posted by derekcohen

Keep in mind that is my opinion about my involvement in woodworking .. not intended to reflect an opinion about the involvement of others. To each his/her own, absolutely.

Hi Derek, I responded to the

Originally Posted by derekcohen

"What do you say?"

at the end of your post i.e. my opinion, and is not a comment on your opinion, in fact, that was the entire point of my post - each to their own. I think the only 'wrong' opinion is one that is foisted on others. Over the years every argument has been made and I find myself agreeing with both sides on different points (hence the Neander/Normite in my avatar comment).

Originally Posted by derekcohen

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I do expect that handtool and power uses (if one can separate all into such extreme groups, for most of us use both) differ in regard to goal. Most handtoolers are likely to be focussed on the journey, while most power users are more likely to be focussed on the destination.............

It's a pretty broad spectrum, Derek. We know there are those who would disinfect their hands if they so much as picked up a tool with a cord to move it out of the way, and there are those who would only use a chisel to open a paint can, but the vast majority of us fall somewhere in-between.

I tend to do things as expeditiously as possible when the product is either utterly utilitarian, or I am under extreme pressure to get it done. I much prefer to use the planer/thicknesser to do the grunt work, and a well-tuned plane to do the final fitting. I can't bear to see ripple marks on a planed surface, even on the inside!

When I'm not so pressed, (which is most of the time, fortunately!) I use the method that most appeals at the moment, or is most convenient. For instance, I wouldn't bother wheeling the 'lectron-burning jointer out of its corner to flatten a single short board, but if it happens to be in position & plugged in, & especially if the #7 neded a touch-up on the oilstone, well...
As already suggested, to a hobbiest, speed is largely irrelevant - though some of us may be tempted at times to choose the SLOWEST method to keep us in the shed (when MIL is visiting, p'raps? ) And also as suggested previously, speed is a natural consequence of practice & having the right tools.

This is a timely thread, because I was remined on the weekend that practised handwork has other benefits apart from speed. I've been building a small bench for my newly-acquired (metal) lathe, whenever I can grab an hour or two from the chore-list. The material is recycled hardwood & normally I would cut most of the joints (half & full laps & some M&Ts) using the TS - this is definitely utilitarian! But there was some good stuff on ABC FM, and I didn't feel like hefting big chunks over the sawbench, so out came my shiny new saws & a brace of sharp chisels. I knew I had no chance of completing the job this weekend, so I wasn't hurrying, though it went together quickly enough. However, the most satisfying result is, the joints I made are altogether neater & tighter than they would have been if I'd gone the alternative 'whack'emout' TS route.

So I had some high-quality shed-time, with most of the noise easily drowned out by the music....

Cheers,

Sadly it's clear that none of that gear has ever been used in anger. I got bored waiting for it all to download and went elsewhere but I didn't notice any workbench with vice in the workshop?

I'll just battle on with my high quality but elderly SCM second hand gear that has served me well for 30 years.( There's been the odd upgrade over time to younger second hand gear).

I'm about making things not about buying things and I couldn't make them any better on that Martin gear. The limits to quality come from within me not from the outfeed table of a fancy machine.

Nice car!!

Cheers Old Pete

Impressive machines and no expense spared but by 2 mins in I am thinking where is this going. The phrases never used, perfect and hardly used never ended. Sadness set in at halfway and I am thinking this is a guy with a small d---- er self esteem. No sign of things in the process of being made. No clever home made jigs no rust marks on anything. No marks of anything at all. No soul. Sterile! Not a shed as I understand it.
Regards
John

Originally Posted by artme

Groggy, that is!

That workshop is probably worth more than my house!!

Bigger, too!

Wish my shed was that big. Or, if you stuffed all those tools into my shed, there would be no room to use any of it.

Cheers

Graeme

To quote your thread heading "
The workshop from Heaven ... or Hell ...!?

Or hell, come on one mans dream of his ultimate workshop related to his skills and talents to what he wants to achieve would have been his heaven, might not be your heaven Derek, but in many peoples mind he created a woodworking shop of the 20th Century.

HELL, i dont know about that?

If he had created a workshop from 18th century then you might have drooled a little.

I must admit that I would not refuse the jointer and thicknesser .. preparing boards to dimension is the one part I find most arduous. The fun bit is shaping and joining the boards from that point.

Regards from Perth

Derek

I get the impression that this person is very sad in what had happen. This is striking me that he is selling all everything. I watched the whole video and that's the impression that I got.

I can not say if he had built it or got someone to build it.