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    Hi:

    I'm new to the forum. I've generally been a Western tool user, but I was at the flea market this week and I came across I very unusual plane. It's obviously Japanese from the design, the thick iron, etc, but it's not like any plane I've ever seen. I also can't find anything like it on the web, so I need some help.

    As you can see from the attached pics, it's long and narrow. The iron is also bedded at an angle. The really interesting features are the movable wooden fence attached to the bottom and the strip of brass inlaid into the sole and attached with counter-sunk machine screws. Now, I think it's pretty obvious that this is a jointer plane with an integrated fence, but it could only joint boards an inch or less in width. This seems pretty curious to me. In case anyone is wondering, the fence and the body of the plane appear to be made from the same wood; I don't think this is a user-modification.

    So, what did I find? Does it have a specific use?

    Finally, I live in a very dry part of California and the wood of this plane seems to have shrunk at some point. The iron will not protrude from the mouth of the plane and it fits very tightly. I think I need advice on SAFELY widening the mouth of the plane so the iron can be properly adjusted. If anyone had advice or can point me towards resources, I would really appreciate it.

    Thanks a lot!
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    Hi Rex,

    I thought it was a fillister plane. One of these:
    http://giantcypress.net/post/4692686...illister-plane
    but I can see it's a bit different. I'll look up Toshio Odate's book tonight to see if it's in there.
    For information on tuning the kanna refer to here:
    http://thecarpentryway.blogspot.ca/2...u-perhaps.html
    This is part one of a series on tuning kanna. Very well worth reading entire series.

    Gadge

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    Here is a holding reply until such time as an expert comes along..

    As Gadge has indicated, it's a form of moving fillister or rabbet (rebate) kanna. The ones with a knicker knife and typically with skewed blade are called ai-jakuri-kiwa-kanna.

    Yours doesn't have the nicker knife or skewed blade, so may not fully qualify for that name. Kiwa = corner and ai-jakuri = end lap joint. A fenced kanna is called a Jyogiai Kiwa Kanna, so that might be a more accurate name.

    Neil

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    To me it looks like a side rabbet plane with a fence. probably used for windows and/or caroentry. The only real question is why the fence has that shape... (ps a fence can be put to any plane...joknter, smoother, etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmihai View Post
    To me it looks like a side rabbet plane with a fence. probably used for windows and/or caroentry. The only real question is why the fence has that shape... (ps a fence can be put to any plane...joknter, smoother, etc)
    I think I can answer that question. If you set the fence and then hold the plane for a right-handed pull-stroke, then that cut-away fits the hand very comfortably.

    "Yours doesn't have the nicker knife or skewed blade, so may not fully qualify for that name."

    Actually, the blade is skewed. I must not have shown that well in the pics.

    Also, thanks very much for the replies. I feel like I have a lot more information now, although I would love to get more information. Since I'm new to all this, could anyone give me some idea how rare/unusual this plane is? Is it valuable? I have no intention of selling it, but should it go to a Japanese plane enthusiast while I get something more basic to cut my teeth on?

    Thanks again, and please keep the answers coming, if it's not too much trouble.

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    Only problem with the side rabbet theory is the blade does not extend to the edge of the plane so can't get into the corner.
    The fence is the usual shape with the cutout in the side (I suppose to let your fingers wrap around the plane).

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    Rex,

    It does seem pretty unusual. No, I don't think it is very valuable although looks to be quite good quality. Don't pass it on to another enthusiast. It's very specialized so keep it until you have a use for it. In the mean time buy a hira kanna and start using it.

    Gadge

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    Notvrare and not unusual. Not ver valuable either. The key is who made the iron. The blacksmith. That will give or take away from the value of it.... The wooden body just think at it as the necessary appendix, worth (used) 15-20 dollars.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rex Krueger View Post
    I think I can answer that question. If you set the fence and then hold the plane for a right-handed pull-stroke, then that cut-away fits the hand very comfortably.

    "Yours doesn't have the nicker knife or skewed blade, so may not fully qualify for that name."

    Actually, the blade is skewed. I must not have shown that well in the pics.

    Also, thanks very much for the replies. I feel like I have a lot more information now, although I would love to get more information. Since I'm new to all this, could anyone give me some idea how rare/unusual this plane is? Is it valuable? I have no intention of selling it, but should it go to a Japanese plane enthusiast while I get something more basic to cut my teeth on?

    Thanks again, and please keep the answers coming, if it's not too much trouble.

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