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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    Well that's one thing I'm not clear about David. The old system gets switched off 2018 sometime, but the NBN comes into the house via the existing phone lines...dunnit? You're suggesting that the old phone lines will cease to function? So what happens then???
    So the copper from the "node" your "grey pillar" to the big wide world will be cut off..
    the the copper from your node to your house will remain. However the "language" it communicates in will be completely different...
    Once upon a time the copper transmitted "voice", now it will be communicating in data signals...your old phone handset cannot transmit your voice "packets" as data, therefore the need for a new handset...that will..

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    I am still using the old base station and 2 satelite phones that I was using with copper, a little VOIP box plugs in to the router the base station plugs in to the VOIP box. This is with wireless NBN but I imagine it wouldn't be any different with FTTN.
    This was supplied by Aussie Broadband together with their Linksys router, both free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Parks View Post
    I'm not following, are you using a wireless connection now for the internet? I would put the new router/modem thingy at the point of entry into the house and run cat 6 to any computer you want connected to the net if wireless is too slow which I doubt it will be.
    We're seeing differences between ethernet and wireless use of <2Mb/s out of about 48 Mb/s but most "real" downloads are slower than this anyway so you cannot tell the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david.elliott View Post
    So the copper from the "node" your "grey pillar" to the big wide world will be cut off..
    the the copper from your node to your house will remain. However the "language" it communicates in will be completely different...
    Once upon a time the copper transmitted "voice", now it will be communicating in data signals...your old phone handset cannot transmit your voice "packets" as data, therefore the need for a new handset...that will..
    Ok, so as I understand it, a regular non-IP phone will still be usable as long as one has a VOIP capable modem on the new system. Yes?

    Furthermore, I will still be using the existing phone lines within this property to connect to NBN?
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    My son's friend has just gone to NBN and I asked the question on existing phones and was told they did not have to be changed. The place to ask this stuff is not here but at Whirlpool as this has surely been answered there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    Ok, so as I understand it, a regular non-IP phone will still be usable as long as one has a VOIP capable modem on the new system. Yes?

    Furthermore, I will still be using the existing phone lines within this property to connect to NBN?
    Your connection the the Fibre is at the node they choose then via the existing copper. That is the whole ethos of FTTN, thank you Mister Turnbull for nothing.
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    I asked Dr Google "do i need to change my phone for nbn" and this was one of the answers that came up

    The NBN and your phone line | the iiNet Blog

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    Thanks Fred. Interesting to note that it was still thinking "fibre to 93% of homes". We got the FTTN Fizza version up here, but apparently all the local pollies must live in the lower mountains - they're getting FTTP.
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    Well, we've got the poor cousin version, Fixed Wireless, but it is a hell of an improvement on ADSL1. We never did get ADSL2 and we were on dial up for quite some years after we moved here in 2000.

    I'd say count yourself lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Shed View Post
    I'd say count yourself lucky.
    We'll see - reports up here are generally not favourable, but the way I see it is if it's faster than <7mbps then I'm in front. It will be live on 10th July.
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    I see a similar thing with phones/internet. The days of getting a house wired for phones etc. will be limited, all you'll have is a stubby antenna on the roof of the house connecting to a router. Just need to work out a way to keep the router running when there's a power outage for now, maybe some rechargeable batteries for the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KBs PensNmore View Post
    I see a similar thing with phones/internet. The days of getting a house wired for phones etc. will be limited, all you'll have is a stubby antenna on the roof of the house connecting to a router.
    perhaps it's still a good idea to wire a house with Ethernet cabling which would allow you to network the house -- one media server connected to multiple TVs and audio outlets.
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    Just need to work out a way to keep the router running when there's a power outage for now, maybe some rechargeable batteries for the moment.
    Get yourself a UPS -- when the National Broadband was being "designed" my understanding was that all Nation broadband modems were to be fitted with a UPS. The reason being that the copper network phones still work when the power goes out, and similar robustness was required for VOIP.

    not sure where this ended up, perhaps the UPS is only supplied to those who need 24/7 comms for medical monitoring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    perhaps it's still a good idea to wire a house with Ethernet cabling which would allow you to network the house -- one media server connected to multiple TVs and audio outlets.
    Yeah, one has to wonder about the long term effects of all the radiation we have been exposing ourselves to since wireless routing has become so popular.
    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    Get yourself a UPS -- when the National Broadband was being "designed" my understanding was that all Nation broadband modems were to be fitted with a UPS. The reason being that the copper network phones still work when the power goes out, and similar robustness was required for VOIP.

    not sure where this ended up, perhaps the UPS is only supplied to those who need 24/7 comms for medical monitoring.
    This was one of the main reasons I replaced my old Laptop with another Laptop last year. I have no actual need to take it anywhere - it just sits on the desk - but it obviated needing a UPS to protect me from the numerous blackouts that we get up here (storms mainly).

    There aren't too many people without cordless landlines these days, and they won't work without power either (I guess those that must have comms at all times would have an old clunker around, and probably a mobile, possibly a pager or other alert device). Mind you, the copper wire for analogue phones is going off next year (or at least starting to), and whilst the analogue phones will still work with a VOIP capable router, the router would still need a UPS. But then what about the Node? Surely it runs on power? If that is so, in a blackout it would then need its own UPS, but did they have the forethought to build them into each node? Presumably the grey pillars don't need power, given that they still function in blackouts now.


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    A UPS is a real good idea. I can get about half an hour with my entire network although my notebook battery needs replacing now. It is easy to replace the UPS battery with a larger one such as a car battery or 12v deep cycle and get a lot more up time. Just have the battery outside and run cables to it.

    I gave up using wireless networking. It was too slow transfering files. I suppose that wiring ethernet cables in houses will fade out soon.

    We have a cordless phone set and an old clunker. No mobile reception here. We only get satellite internet and that is too unreliable to use for full time phone. It stops working with a medium rain shower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    Get yourself a UPS -- when the National Broadband was being "designed" my understanding was that all Nation broadband modems were to be fitted with a UPS. The reason being that the copper network phones still work when the power goes out, and similar robustness was required for VOIP.
    I'm confused, we are on the Optus fibre optic cable network direct to our house without a UPS. We get the internet and our landline through the cable from Optus and not through the copper network of Telstra.

    When we have a power failure we still have internet access through our mobile devices as well as our landline through the Optus cable network.

    Does that mean that when the NBS takes over the Optus network we will go backwards ?

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