Thread: Ricky should walk

With all due respect, garfield, I think that you're completely wrong. I think that the Indian team is very upset that they lost the series and that they are pushing their increasing power as the richest and most populated cricket nation in the world. They already hace their way with Bucknor, and now they are seeking to have Harbhajan Singh's suspension cancelled.

My understanding is that the members of the Australian Cricket Team are quietly furious over the way Symonds was treated by sections of the crowd in India. I believe Symonds when he accused Harbhajan Singh of perpetuating the racist taunts initiated in India. This racism has to be jumped on; you must be aware that Harbhajan has an horrific reputation for his aggressive behaviour, and not just with the Aussie team.

There's a bit of the tall poppy syndrome happening here; I don't think that the Aussie team is behaving much differently from the way it has for years. I for one hate to see the way people turn against them so quickly. I mean I can understand the traditional enemies of the team (Tony Greig, Peter Roebuck etc) using the occasion to bring them down a peg or two, but not Aussies. We should be proud of this record breaking team.

Listen to Richie Benauld, he tends to get it right.

What is your opinion on what Michael Clarke did after flogging the ball to slip and then step back to hopefully get the not out verdict off the umpire? Mate I'm Aussie through and through, but I don't support the Australian cricket team at the moment. Be honest here, if we were playing like that in the street we'd end up calling each other all sorts of things and then more than likely punch on because of the blatant cheating. I don't support that attitude and I would be disappointed if it were my son with that attitude even as a kid who plays under 10's.

The crowd was disgraceful in India no doubt, but that's the crowd. I'm on about our teams behavior and their unsportsmanlike attitude. India have every right to be fuming about their treatment from the umpires and the Australian team during the second test, if it were our boys coping it and being treated like that I'd go into bat for them too don't worry..... BUT it ain't, and I feel disgusted in the way they have played what is meant to be a gentleman's game and the disgust they have brought to the baggy green!

My bottom line is - the last 5-6 summers of cricket in this country has had some shocking umpires decisions and 90% of them have gone the way of the Australians. The experts, the punters, everyone wants someone to take it to Australia in test cricket - but how can they when we quite clearly cheat and have incompetent umpires against the touring side.

Mate I respect your opinion, But I don't share it.

I don't bother with cricket but the au team was paid to win and they did.
Good job done.

Who said this was sport any more.
You have sponsors to support and that is what matters now.
Stuff the public and the "Game".

Originally Posted by garfield

What is your opinion on what Michael Clarke did after flogging the ball to slip and then step back to hopefully get the not out verdict off the umpire?

Respectfully Garfield:

Michael Clarke did nothing wrong, he waited for the umpires decision and then went - no problem from me here.

Originally Posted by garfield

My bottom line is - the last 5-6 summers of cricket in this country has had some shocking umpires decisions and 90% of them have gone the way of the Australians. The experts, the punters, everyone wants someone to take it to Australia in test cricket - but how can they when we quite clearly cheat and have incompetent umpires against the touring side.

The Australian team do not choose the umpires the ICC do - if the decisions seem to go Australia"s way, that is not the fault of Australia.

What have they done to cheat? Not walking? Appealing to often? So does almost every player from every other country, so they must all be "cheats" as well. At least the Australians walk when given out, not like some of the Indians who have been staying and venting disapproval at the umpire while still at the crease..

Mate, I think you need to take off the rose colored glasses and see the cricket for what it is, a business that has a huge monetary turnover, it is no longer Sport.

If the most respected man in world cricket, Richie Benaud, has no problem with what the Aussies are doing, then I don't think there are too many things to worry about.

Best test I have seen since the tied test in Brisbane against the west Indies.
It is a poor state if players are not allowed to celebrate with gusto after such a close hard fought win.
True,the umpiring was poor,but the players must abide by the umpires decision and should never walk until the finger goes up.

terry

Originally Posted by garfield

What is your opinion on what Michael Clarke did after flogging the ball to slip and then step back to hopefully get the not out verdict off the umpire? .

No better no worse than anyone else playing at the moment how many players have you seen walk in the last 12 months to the number who knew they were out 100%

Originally Posted by garfield

The crowd was disgraceful in India no doubt, but that's the crowd. .

They were but they wern't as bad as the Aussie crowd when Hadley was playing with the constant " Hadleys a wanker"

Originally Posted by garfield

I'm on about our teams behavior and their unsportsmanlike attitude. India have every right to be fuming about their treatment from the umpires .

Not half as bad as Indian and Pakie Umpires were before international umpires were used.

Originally Posted by garfield

and I feel disgusted in the way they have played what is meant to be a gentleman's game and the disgust they have brought to the baggy green! .

As bad as having an underarm problem? Garfield it stopped being a gentlemans game when it became professional , once money gets involved then being a jolly good chap is out the door , though it was well on its way with bodyline.

Originally Posted by garfield

The experts, the punters, everyone wants someone to take it to Australia in test cricket - but how can they when we quite clearly cheat and have incompetent umpires against the touring side..

Like the doctored wickets in England and the sub contenient and I wouldn't say 90% of the bad decisions went Australias way in South Africa
Mate the most unsportsman like team since the game began in this country would have to be Jardines Bodyline side surely

Mate the most unsportsman like team since the game began in this country would have to be Jardines Bodyline side surely

Why? They played within the rules of the game as they stood. They certainly played to win but it was only a change of rules that stopped subsequent sides with similar armouries doing the same thing. A bit like the underarm incident really.

Andrew Symonds was absolutely blasted by the cowds in India, who used the well known racial taunt of imitating a monkey whenever he was fielding near them, or bowling or batting. Instead of trying to stop this behaviour, Harbhajan Singh played to the crowd over there by aggressively focussing on Symonds during a few matches. In Australia he carried this racism over by calling Symonds a "big monkey" on the field. In my view of the world, distorted as it may be, Harbhajan needs to be pulled aside and reeducated in the expectations of the cricket world with regard to racism. Andrew Symonds is a fantastic cricketer, a good person, and perhaps more importantly, a Queenslander. He doesn't deserve racial taunts.

So far as "walking" is concerned, that is an international problem brought on by advances in technology (I wonder how many times Bradman didn't walk?). If changes are to occur, then it has to be across the board; I can't imagine, garfield, why you consider it an Australian disease.

Bucknor had a shocking game, and as nice a person as he is I think that he's reached the stage where the game is a bit beyond him. There have been calls for his retirement since the World Cup. But he's been such a good servant that they have him a little more rope .... Once again, I have trouble seeing how this is the fault of the Australian team.

You need to keep one thing in mind: the cricket world is undergoing a huge change. The power of world cricket is shifting towards the sub-continent. India is subtly threatening to take charge because of it's enormous cricketing resources. If you don't believe me, look at the way the ICC buckled to India's demands by sacking Bucknor and suspending Harbhajan Singh's suspension. Have you ever seen that before?

Have just read this article in The Australian, I think it puts this matter in perspective.

Certainly a bit more balanced than Peter Roebuck's article yesterday.

We obviously are not a cricketing Nation.... however I'd note that it would be practically impossible (unacceptable) for a player to walk these days unless either the stumps have gone flying at least 10 yards or a fielder has clearly got the ball in a clean catch. This increases the burden on the umpires.

A very well written article:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=343765

Didn't think anyone would see anything wrong with the behavior of the Australian players.... But I'm sure that the majority of people - be it Australian or from any other ethnic back ground that watched it would find it disgraceful as well!

Bring back Tubby Taylor! a real leader of men and a great ambassador to this country and the game of cricket!!!!!!!

There is a clip on youtube (not sure if links to there are OK so I won't post it) of Harbhajan being clean bowled by Pietersen in a one dayer and not walking. He hung around for minutes. Not only that, but you can clearly hear him tell Peitersen to f-off. A gentleman cricketer indeed....

well at least the cricketers use wood in their bats to keep the "Woodwork Forum" on track and Ricky has a wooden head - no doubt the worst captain in my lifetime - great at winning but a sour and unsportspersonlike character when things do not go his way - what a pity they did not make Gillie captain - just watch him closely - he is pretty reserved in some of the doubtful appeals and stopped himself in one appeal in the Indian second innings - so don't mention the war and don't mention monkey