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    Default Any views on Medalist diamond sharpening stones

    Yes I know you get what you pay for but does anyone know why these are so cheap. What is the catch? three piece set fine med and coarse for $21 on ebay. what is the go?

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    Probably only has half or less the diamonds then a quality one and also probably not flat either

    Just an opinion not an actual fact, seeing that I've never seen one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ's Timber View Post
    Probably only has half or less the diamonds then a quality one and also probably not flat either

    Just an opinion not an actual fact, seeing that I've never seen one.
    As to the first point - I agree, but I only use them for touch ups and they are fine for that
    As to the second - mine are flat, but I can't guarantee that yours will be!!!
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    Medalist is a bottom rung brand typically found in clearance or sale bins at Mitre10. I have never examined any of their tools for longer than a second without flipping it back onto the pile in disgust.

    As far as flat goes, I have two name brand diamond stones (EZ Lap I think). They both seem flat but they leave different honing marks on tools, so one or both are other than perfectly flat*

    *which is a very rare and expensive quality in any object I am coming to learn.

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    thanx guys. As I suspected
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbyfmax View Post
    Yes I know you get what you pay for but does anyone know why these are so cheap. What is the catch? three piece set fine med and coarse for $21 on ebay. what is the go?

    thanx Bob
    Bob,

    Were you just interested in the medalist out of curiosity or are you after some economy diamond stones for a particular purpose?

    Mark

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    I'm thinking of changing from oilstones to other systems for sharpening my tools. apart from waterstones many woodworkers appear to favour diamond stones and before i jump in and buy an expensive system i thought i would give the cheap stones a try to see if it is worth moving up. thanx Bob
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    I've got some cheap ones (not Medalist but similar quality). They consist of a piece of perforated sheet metal with diamond dust glued to one side and a lump of plastic glued to the other. They are good for when you want to remove material quickly or on something that doesn't matter, but you will need something better for honing chisels and plane blades.

    You're not going to get much of an idea of what using expensive diamond plates is going to be like by using the cheap ones. It will probably be a frustrating experience and will put you off them altogether. What you will probably discover is that they cut aggressively when you first get them but after a few uses, once you have removed all the sharp tips from the diamond, they will cut slower. That's probably about the only thing these cheap ones will have in common with the expensive ones.
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    Bob,

    Hi. I did a similar thing recently in that I wanted to go from scary sharp to diamond stone. I didn't want to spend too much because I wasn't sure if it would be worth it so I looked around at different stones. After looking at a lot of different stones I found the following in my price range:

    1. The medalists as you looked at.

    2. Carbatec economy stones - some info here:
    http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...ad.php?t=60324

    3. DMT 6" stones here for $44
    http://www.everten.com.au/category/DMT-Sharpening.html/

    4. McJing stones:
    http://www.mcjing.com.au/engineering...PENING%20STONE

    I decided that after a bit of looking that I really needed a stone at least 2.5" wide for my bigger plane blades. That meant I would have to go up to an 8" in the DMT's which is a lot more money. The carbatec stones in the shorter length sounded good in the above thread and are 2.5" wide but I decided that an 8" stone would be nicer for sharpening.

    In the end I bought a mcjing 3"x 8" double side 200/600grit for $60 (it is actually 300/600 grit). It is continuous diamond on a steel plate.

    I have been very happy with the quality and flatness. I had some hard muji blades that I was having trouble with scary sharp on. The diamond stone cuts through them nicely.

    I'm still using scary sharp for 1200/2000 to finish but I am getting blades significantly sharper than when I was using pure scary.

    I might buy a Carbatec 1000 grit stone and then look at something else for the final hone, but at this stage I'm happy with my setup.

    Hope this helps

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    Just as a side note I saw some medalist stones in a local hardware store for $12.95.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bordo View Post
    Bob,

    Hi. I did a similar thing recently in that I wanted to go from scary sharp to diamond stone. I didn't want to spend too much because I wasn't sure if it would be worth it so I looked around at different stones. After looking at a lot of different stones I found the following in my price range:

    1. The medalists as you looked at.

    2. Carbatec economy stones - some info here:
    http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...ad.php?t=60324

    3. DMT 6" stones here for $44
    http://www.everten.com.au/category/DMT-Sharpening.html/

    4. McJing stones:
    http://www.mcjing.com.au/engineering...PENING%20STONE

    I decided that after a bit of looking that I really needed a stone at least 2.5" wide for my bigger plane blades. That meant I would have to go up to an 8" in the DMT's which is a lot more money. The carbatec stones in the shorter length sounded good in the above thread and are 2.5" wide but I decided that an 8" stone would be nicer for sharpening.

    In the end I bought a mcjing 3"x 8" double side 200/600grit for $60 (it is actually 300/600 grit). It is continuous diamond on a steel plate.

    I have been very happy with the quality and flatness. I had some hard muji blades that I was having trouble with scary sharp on. The diamond stone cuts through them nicely.

    I'm still using scary sharp for 1200/2000 to finish but I am getting blades significantly sharper than when I was using pure scary.

    I might buy a Carbatec 1000 grit stone and then look at something else for the final hone, but at this stage I'm happy with my setup.

    Hope this helps

    Mark
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    How are you going with your diamond sharpening stone? , i went last saturay to mc jinc to get that stone but i wasnt sure,how long have your had it?do you use it often? and last Q still looking strong?

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    Default does any one got the diamond stone from mc jing?

    How are we going with your diamond sharpening stone? , i went last saturay to mc jinc to get that stone but i wasnt sure,how long have your had it?do you use it often? and last Q still looking strong?plz let me know about it, i want to get one myself
    any replay ll be very appreciated

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    I've used a number of Diamond Plates for sharpening Straight Razors after I have finished restoring them. The best I have found is a 1k Sanwa Precision Diamond Stone, sets a perfect bevel every time and I haven't had any problems with excessive wear on the diamonds themselves. DMT stones are the standard in the Straight Razor world, most using the DMT 1200 for bevel setting and then refining the edge on the DMT 8k stone. The main problem with DMT's is that they need to be worn in because high spots of abrasive can take chunks out of an edge, obviously this is a bigger concern when sharpening razors because the edge required is so fine, I'm not sure how this would affect wood working tools. I also have a Trend 1K, I have seen a number of reports regarding quality control issues with these, but I've never had problems with mine and they are guaranteed flatter than the DMT. The Trend Diamond Abrasive Lapping Fluid is something I use with all my Diamond plates as it makes for a smoother cut. I also have an Atoma 1200 (which is sold in Australia by So Yamashita of Japan Tool,) but I only use this for flattening my other sharpening stones.
    Two types that I am interested in, but have yet to try, are Ablap and a Japanese Domestic Market Whetstone. The Ablaps are available in grit sizes up to 3k and are guaranteed to be flat to within a couple of band waves of light, whilst the Japanese Diamond Plate is available in 12000 grit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbyfmax View Post
    Yes I know you get what you pay for but does anyone know why these are so cheap. What is the catch? three piece set fine med and coarse for $21 on ebay. what is the go?

    thanx Bob

    If thier Diamond stones are any thing like thier mitre clamps then don't even think about it .
    Mitre clamp lasted five minutes of use , I took it back straight away and got a refund.
    The guy said "I've got another one in the shed exactly the same "
    I said , "lucky you ,you have the pair now".

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