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| SHARPENING How do you sharpen your turning tools, carving tools, plane blades, router and moulding blades, etc.
Ideas and help for newbies. New or advanced techniques, old, tried and true methods. How, when, why, etc
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19th Nov 2010, 02:57 PM
|  | Old Apprentice | | Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Peakhurst Age: 55
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| | Scheppach Vs Tormek Ok, had small win on Lotto (I get half and can spend as I see fit) and now I'm looking at Wet Stone Grinders.
Scheppach TiGer 2500 and the Tormek T7 and some accessories.
I've been led to believe that the accessories are interchangeable between the two.
So in getting either I'm also look at the planner blade jigs.
Anyone with any comments, as I've read a few of the posts regarding the Scheppach as not being as good but the price difference between the two is considerable. Are some accessories for one better than the other?
Help..........
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19th Nov 2010, 05:10 PM
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| | Lots of threads about this. Have you done a search?
Yes, they use the same diameter mount bar.
Carba-tec at the moment have the T3 for $600 and the T7 for $900. Check to see if the T3 will take the planer blade jig.
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19th Nov 2010, 05:16 PM
| | The Corian king. | | Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Donvale, Vic. Age: 68
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| | I've got the Seppach 2000 and for the price it works very well.
I've also got the Tormek jigs which are far better than the Seppach ones. Buying the Seppach jigs is IMO a waste of money , now where near as good as the Tormek.They are interchangeable but you need an adaptor to put the Tormek extra honing wheels onto it.
Peter. | 
19th Nov 2010, 05:24 PM
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| | I have the Tiger 2500 and agree that the Scheppach jigs are poor value for money. I have some Tormek jigs, they are excellent, and some Jet jigs which are also reasonable.
All the 3 brands' jigs are interchangeable between the machines, with the exception of the Jet mounting, which has a different spacing between the mounts, but the bar diameter is the same as Tormek and Scheppach.
Like Ern said, lots of threads here on that subject, so a search and some reading will get you up to speed. | 
19th Nov 2010, 05:27 PM
|  | Hewer of wood | | Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Melbourne Age: 59
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| | I use several S. jigs and find them OK.
Just remember that with S. wetgrinders, older ones were made in Germany; newer ones in China and are a bit hit and miss re quality. I would expect that planer blades would require a jig and mount that rate high in terms of square and true so cutting corners may not be wise.
If you've won some lottery money, why not see if the T3 will meet your needs? It's designed for occasional use, and the wheel is 8" rather than 10". The T7 is meant for industrial use.
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19th Nov 2010, 09:42 PM
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| | Thanks guys. I went through all the threads earlier today and just needed clarification on the jigs and the Scheppach (have to see it running...yes Big Shed I read your writeup)
Hopefully tomorrow I can get to look at the Scheppach. Then on the way back look at the Tormek T3 and T7 and jigs.
It's just going to be a nice Xmas pressie to myself.
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9th Dec 2010, 08:46 AM
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| | Christmas pressie from me to me Had a day off yesterday. Had to go to my daughters School Presentation day. She got an award.
After that had plenty of time for shopping....so off to CarbaTec. Looked at the T3 and the T7. They have 15% discount on the Tormek range at the moment, also a special deal on a T3 package.
The T3 special package was $777.00 In the package was Truing tool and the stone grader. Don't remember if the angle master was included in the basic T3 package.
The T7 was $849 and included all the above ... Angle Master, Truing Tool, Stone Grader, Square Edge Jig, honing paste...video, reference gudie etc. So it was a no-brainer spend the extra $70+ and get the T7.
Now that's a christmas pressie (for everything else there's Mastercard).....It's gunna get a workout on the weekend, no more blunt chisels, plane blades and everything else I can think of.
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9th Dec 2010, 03:50 PM
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| | Good score Bleeder!
But do remember, a Tormek is for life not just for Christmas ;-}
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9th Dec 2010, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rsser Good score Bleeder!
But do remember, a Tormek is for life not just for Christmas ;-} |
Thanks for that Ern
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9th Dec 2010, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rsser
But do remember, a Tormek is for life not just for Christmas ;-} | What you don't give it away after Christmas as it is too much trouble to look after it? 
Peter. | 
10th Dec 2010, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Sturdee What you don't give it away after Christmas as it is too much trouble to look after it? 
Peter. | Peter,
If it starts to misbehave you'll be the first in line to re-train it. 
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11th Dec 2010, 03:35 PM
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| | Just a heads-up: read the instructions about how to tighten the wheel nut when you assemble it. Prob too late now.
I didn't - thinking it was just like a dry grinder wheel. Don't think I did any damage to the wheel core luckily.
Mine's had a bit of use now and I've just trued it for the 2nd time. Radius is now only about 2.5mm less than original. Which is as well given the cost of a replacement wheel.
For high carbon steel tools I reckon the T or a working S are the bees knees. Not convinced re HSS. It would be nice if at purchase of a T you were given the option of the black wheel for HSS.
Will say that the T manual is without peer.
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11th Dec 2010, 07:37 PM
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| | In some cases the original "G" wheel is better for sharpening HSS as the "B" or black wheel glazes in continued use.
It is easily deglazed with the fine side of the grading stone but it can catch you unawares and leave you wondering why your tools are getting blunt.
I have a black wheel because I sometimes sharpen tungsten and my skews are a bit harder than most but I will probably revert to a "G" wheel when this one wears out or gets close.
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12th Dec 2010, 05:38 PM
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| | Thanks Ern,
Just finished clearing the space and was about to set it all up.
Note....RTFM first.
Thanks Robbo I don't think I'll be sharpening any tungsten but it's nice to know.
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12th Dec 2010, 06:28 PM
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| | Yeah, reading the manual is against The Code; but in this case ...
As canvassed elsewhere, T effectively says it's 'painting by numbers' but it's not that simple. You can easily get variations in setup, and if you go from BGM to wetgrinder to benchstones, those can really add up. That's the reason for my limp comment about pets not being just for Xmas.
Good luck with it.
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