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21st August 2016, 05:03 AM #1Intermediate Member
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Any suggestions on Sharping tools ?
Hi guys,
So I'm considering learning the 'art' of sharpening, but was hoping to get some feedback on what I should buy.
I have a little hatchet here, nothing fancy, but it's not sharp at all. I also have an older axe which is a lil' rusted and it too is blunt. So reading around, I think I need to use,
1. Bastard File
2. Sanding Stone
I went to Bunnings the other day for a File and to look at some sharpening stones, but am a little confused.. I bought a HART 200mm Flat Bastard Vut File (https://www.bunnings.com.au/hart-200...-file_p5760249) but noticed there were other variants of the bastard file.. Millsaw Cut and (i think) a 'Second Cut' .. noticed 3 types. .. anyone have any ideas which one I should be using ?
Also, regarding the sharpening stones, the ones they stocked don't mention the grit they are. I was looking to red around 800/1000 > 3000 grit.. though not 100% sure what I'll need or what sharpening material to look for... any suggestions ?
I'm also working on a budget, so I wont be able to afford the more expensive fancy stones (like Japanese Whetstones etc..).
I'm also interested in sharpening other items too, such as knives and various tools (chisels etc..)
Thanks, looking forward to what you guys suggest
regards,
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23rd August 2016, 06:34 AM #2GOLD MEMBER
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Hard to suggest what you could use to sharpen one of everything.
What I expect that you will learn is that much of the method, the technique, for one type of tool (chisel) has direct bearing on the process for another such as an axe.
Think of the bevel angle as a wedge which is splitting wood open. Big wedge (axe) takes more power than a fine wood carver's knife.
Dull can split the wood, sharp can cut the wood.
My standard practice with every tool that I buy is to measure the bevel angle, see what the factory thinking was.
Maybe a little fine tuning at that angle and try the edge in the wood which I intend to use.
As a rule, I don't shave my legs nor carve my fingers so those tests of faith are silly.
I have some chisels at 25 degrees, others at 30 degrees, my fine carving tools are either 20 or 12.
My plane is 30, my draw knife and adzes are 25, my spoke shaves are 28.
They all cut very well for what they are supposed to be doing.
The hard part is keeping them all sharp, even "carving sharp" without changing the bevel angle.
I can do it all freehand as I'm sharpening from my legs, not my arms.
My arms don't move = I am the jig.
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23rd August 2016, 01:14 PM #3
The files are named according to their use. A Bastard is a course double cut (cut at 2 angles) to remove material quickly. A second cut file is cut two ways but is finer than your bastard. It is used for material removal but finer than the bastard. The mill file (also called smooth) is a single cut and for sharpening or finishing work and will produce a smoother surface. It is called a mill file since it was used for sharpening mill saws.
The problem with files is that they are not suitable for sharpening woodworking tools since they are a high carbon steel. You can certainly use files for things such as axes and garden tools since they are a low carbon steel but the woodworking tools are too hard.
For chisels and plane blades I use an 8" medium speed grinder (your regular bench grinder) with a white aluminium oxide wheel for re-establishing the primary bevel, then a 1000/6000 (or 1000/8000) stone for sharpening and then an optional leather strop with stropping compound (or diamond paste).
I bought a nice combi stone from Carbatech for about $40.
John
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27th August 2016, 09:47 AM #4Intermediate Member
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(Sorry for the delay in responding) Thanks for the feedback guys . Primarily at this stage, I'm wanting to sharpen a couple of axes. I don't really have any woodworking tools at this stage so I won't bother getting a sharpening kit for those.
Hard to suggest what you could use to sharpen one of everything.
My standard practice with every tool that I buy is to measure the bevel angle, see what the factory thinking was.
I saw a video (wranglestar) where he made one with a 20 and 25 degree cut, but if there's a tool available, might be better/more accurate than what I can make.
The files are named according to their use....
I bought a nice combi stone from Carbatech for about $40.
Thanks again guys, much appreciate the feedback
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