Thread: tormek V scheppach ?

Originally Posted by philip007

Hi folks,

I have read a number of reviews of both these sharpening aids and the reviews for both seem very good indeed.

Does anyone have a preference for either ?

Tormek

I have a Tormek and I use it mainly for sharpening my 8" jonter blades and 15" thicknesser blades.

I Don't own either but it seems from what I have read that they are pretty evenly matched in term of quality. Frequency of use and what you want to do with it may determine the model ie the size you choose.

Isn't the Tomek significantly more expensive?

Rsser took his Sheppach into 's Sharpfest, where there were several Tormeks of different vintages.

Besides the obvious physical differences, such as the Tormek having a honing setup, I only noticed two real differences.

1. The Tormek spins at some 90 RPM or so, the Sheppach at double that. Whether this makes any difference to the grind I've no idea. I shouldn't think so, what with the fine wheel grits that are in use.

2. The guide bar (or whatever you call it) is closer to the front of the machine on the Sheppach. In effect, this means that the jigs we were using (for turning chisels) had to sit higher over the wheel to get the correct bevel angles.

Not a problem, except that at std. bench height this made for an awkward position. I feel that for a prolonged grinding session, it needs to sit on a much lower bench.

ok well $$ is the main thing and how much you going to use it

my club just got the Sheppach one at the show
for $199
then the jig for tools was $120
and the buffing thing to do Vs and other too;s was $89

i think if it just hor home use there fine

The Scheppach is not even close to the Tormek! It is like comparing apples and oranges.

The bearings on the Tormek will last a life time. The Schappach is built down to a price level.

The wheels spin at the same rate. The Tormek is rated at 90 rpm, while the Scheppach is 120 rpm, but the wheel of the Tormek is 10" diameter and the Scheppach is 8". The Tormek is also wider than the Scheppach. Oh, a 10" wheel will last twice as long as a 8" wheel. The wheels are not equal in quality.

The motors are completely different power. I doubt that you could stop the Tormek under the heaviest pressure, while the Scheppach will stall easily.

The blade adjustment on the Scheppach is rudimentary. The Tormek has a fine adjustment feature that is essential when setting up a blade's geometry. Chalk and cheese!

When I bought the Scheppach, several components were out of alignment. It was impossible to get a straight grind. I returned the machine after a weekend and bought the Tormek, which was perfect out of the box.

You get what you pay for. How do you think that the Scheppach can be sold cheaper? It is made cheaply.

Regards from Perth

Derek

I looked at both and bought the Tormek, and it got a 7 year warranty.

Agree wih Derek,

Have used both, bought the Tormek T7. There is no comparison between the two, the Sheppach is not that well made. In this case you get what you pay for...

I have been using my Tormek to grind plane blades and chisels as well as my thicknesser/jointer blades. I think it will take a couple of years to break even compared to sending off the blades to be sharpened but the convenience is great.

Marios

Originally Posted by Wongo

I have a Tormek and I use it mainly for sharpening my 8" jonter blades and 15" thicknesser blades.

Wongo which Tormek, the T3 or T7, being able to do my 15 inch Jet blades might help make spending the money more justifiable

Can others post whether there Tormek experiences were with the T3 or T7 please, interested to know if the T3 cuts the mustard or if it is no better than the Scheppach.

Cheers,
Mike

From our side of the fence we are selling more tormek units to people upgrading from the triton and scheppach units.

They like what they can do with the grinder but find the inaccuracies frustrating

The Scheppach 2500 that I have has a 10" wheel and enough grunt to grade down to 200 or shape a skew 1.25" wide with a long bevel without a hiccup. The mounting bar is solid and parallel to the wheel face.

This model was, perhaps still is, made in Germany. The 2000 with an 8" wheel is made in Asia I'm told.

The S. jigs are serviceable. I'm playing with Jet wetgrinder jigs which are far cheaper than the Tormeks and it shows but it's still possible to get a good result eg. with their fingernail grind jig and their platform works fine.

Hi Ern

I recall looking carefully at the Scheppach 2500 (the larger Scheppach model). This is, as you are aware, a copy of the Tormek 2006/T7 (the new T7 is just the older 2006 with a paint job - same machine).

The one item that I thought was better on the 2500 was the stiffness of the tool bar - it was a little better than the Tormek (which was good anyway). The 2500 is far, far better made than the 2000. The 2000 is cheap - it lacks the stainless steel (?) fittings for the tool rest. These are cheap brackets (you can bend them with your fingers) inside the body.

Scheppach Tiger2500:


Look at the way the toolrest enters the 2000. Cheap and nasty!

Scheppach Tiger2000:


and the rear (look at the fittings for holding the tool rest in the horizontal - they are holes in the casing):


Now look at the Tormek T7:


and T3:


You will see that the toolrest has a microadjuster (BIG point). It is better made all round.



Here are specifications:

Scheppach Tiger 2000
› Dimensions: L360 x W285 x H275mm.
› Grinding stone size: 200mm x 40mm.
› Honing disc: 200mm x 30mm.
› Material: leather honing wheel.
› Motor: Input: 120kw.
› Rotation speed: 120rpm..

Scheppach Tiger 2500
Description/Details: Bench Grinder / Idle RPMs: 90 rpm / Power: 200 Watt / Weight: 18.5 kg / Grinding stone size: Ø 250 x 50 mm / Stone grit: K 220 / Material: top-quality grindstone with grinding aluminium oxide grains / Leather honing wheel: Ø 200 x 30 mm / Dimensions (LxWxH): 350 x 360 x 420 mm



There is no way that one can use Tormek 2006/T7 in the same breath as a Scheppach 2000. The Scheppach 2500 (as made in Germany) is a decent machine, but when available it was the same price as the Tormek, the machine it copied. The quality of the fittings on the Tormek were just so much better.

Regards from Perth

Derek