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28th March 2008, 12:54 PM #16Awaiting Email Confirmation
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John,
If you are really leaning towards the Mak, the difference between the LS1212 and the LS1214 is the 1212 has a max 60 degree mitre cut where as the 1214 is a max 45 degree cut.
But.. the LS1214 has larger support arms for those wider timbers.
I have a LS1212 and can't fault it.
My advice is look around when buying a 12" SCMS and go for quality.
Steve
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28th March 2008, 03:45 PM #17Senior Member
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on a std mitre cut, there maybe a consistant 1.5 degree error due to the fence, however is it is due to the rotation then it is a variable error, it gets worse with compound cuts, as againd the error tends to be a % error (try applying %'s to degrees in your head).
A slider also has to move in 3 planes perfectly - the down angle set has to equal the side angle set, while both dropping and sliding backwards.
and yep, i've used a gmc slider and an LS, and rarely is the difference in newish tools so immediately apparent as between those 2
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28th March 2008, 11:01 PM #18GOLD MEMBER
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Thanks for your answer, pharmaboy. I seem to understand that you also think that a constant error is not a big deal, a proportional one is.
Apart the considerations about sliding, not applying in my case, could you please explain what makes "the difference in newish tools so immediately apparent"? Thanks.
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29th March 2008, 12:12 AM #19
Hi NW
I picked up a Makita LS1214 the same as the shiney new one in Cliffs photo on ebay for $500 great condition. They never die, you can't go wrong.
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29th March 2008, 08:46 AM #20Senior Member
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"newish" means there's no point in comparing a yr old trdae use makita with a yr old gmc - the gmc bushes will be wearing etc - tha gmc will be stuffed, which is why the sliders arent generally bought by tradesmen - except in an emergency while the main unit is off the road so to speak.
a makita would be less than half as loud new compared to the gmc, when you start downwards pressure on the makita there is no resistance at all - on the gmc you can feel the guard catching for instance, when you release the gmc rattles its plastic bits, the makita stays silent, the makita has a blade brake, the gmc spins for many seconds - the slide mechanism is smooth and certain versus more catchy, you must cut appreciably slower with the gmc, and lastly the dust extraction is better on the makita - ie it goes backwards (something you appreciate if cutting masonite like weathertex - look like a yorkshire miner after cutting those things). oh nealry forgot - the guard is an absolute PITA - doesnt start coming down immediately - so if the timber sits just under the guard at the start, the gmc wont cut it, but a makita the guiard doesnt come down at all before the blade does.
I'd suggest my father with no power tool experience at all, could tell the difference between the 2 after using it for 2 cuts only - that doesnt mean the gmc is ineffective - does the job as well as a hyundai - its just, well, a hyundai.... ;D
Thats an absolute comparison - for most home users I'd suggest the value proposition is the gmc type stuff - but because its better value for a home user doesnt take away that its clearly an inferior tool.
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29th March 2008, 10:50 AM #21
Someone said Kapex, stop sayin that I want one!
Im waiting for my mak to die too buy a kapex... 10yrs just wont die bloody mak quality....................................................................
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29th March 2008, 04:54 PM #22GOLD MEMBER
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[quote=pharmaboy2;
Thats an absolute comparison ....[/quote]
Thanks, your description of how the GMC works is spot on. Now, I do know better.
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31st March 2008, 11:04 AM #23Novice
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No mention of Dewalt SCMS 's
I must admit Im not 100% happy with mine its a DW701.
When I tilt the saw to cut skirting etc at 45 degrees sometimes if Im not observant it catches on the adjuster at the back and cuts at about 41 degrees (very annoying)
Also when I tilt the saw to 25 degrees to cut nosings, cappings etc it cuts out of square. As the guide hits the timber it pushes the blade out of square.
Not happy
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2nd April 2008, 11:06 PM #24
Makita 1214 - Fantastic
Have had mine for about 3 yrs and when building boats you can't ask for better accuracy and cut quality...... for info I don't think there is a square cut in a wooden boat..... learnt lots about compound mitres and thank heavens I had the machine to do it with !
Just starting on my next one... this time 18' x 7' 11""May your dreams of today
be the reality of tomorrow"
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9th April 2008, 12:29 PM #25
Makita LS1214 all the way.
I don't know about the blue vortex catcher on the back. It certainly fills with dust but not to the same claims as the brochure but that doesn't bother me. I love the thing. Accurate all the time. The sliding mechanism was essential for me to do trenching more accurately and smoothly. And it cuts large section timber which is perfect for pergola and verandah fascias.
Did I say I love it?
Cheers,
Dr - 307.
P.S. The brake is fantastic too.All decks should be stained....black white black white black white.......after all it would match anything!
All roofs should be covered or tiled.....black colorbond, silver mist, black colorbond, silver mist, black colorbond.........after all, we wouldn't want a mismatch!
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17th April 2008, 09:09 PM #26
I just went through the same agonising decision myself, and i must say thanks to all those involved with this forum for their assistance (albeit indirect). I have finally decided to sign up as a member because of all the great info here.
Anyway, enough about my personal history, i just purchased a Hitachi C12RSH- got it from the Tradies Expo in Brisbane, for $850, with a free Hitachi 1/2" router valued at 300 odd $. Looked hard at the Makita, Bosch and the Dewalt, but couldn't justify the price (near or over $1000). Hitachi works great out of the box- only fidling with a heated dog bed at the moment, but with a new kitchen coming soon, its gonna come in handy. Laser is funky too.
Not a bad tool for a sparky...
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