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    Ebay is a strange thing.

    I fond a bunch of ozito stuff for sale all much dearer than bunnings, some of it is 4x bunnings price.

    Then I found this:

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Hitachi-...8AAOSwZ4dZKr5Y

    That's my hitachi model brand new, for $200!!!! AND it doesn't even have the second battery and torch!

    How do they find people dumb enough to buy this stuff ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by derekcohen View Post

    For furniture I have two drills. One is a Panasonic 12v, which is 20 years old now. The batteries have been replaced a few times, but it just goes on and on. It has all the power I need for heavier drilling (bits up to 3/8"), and is a beautifully balanced drill. Not as light as modern drills, but a testament to a great manufacturer. Panasonic for longevity!

    Regards from Perth

    Derek
    First thank you all for the replies.

    Regarding panasonic I love the stuff. I've got a house full of panasonic appliances and frankly the worst thing about them is they are still running strong when they become obsolete. I am still trying to bring myself to throw out my analogue 63cm television. The 70's microwave finally spat it's magnetron a few years back. The 1980 national pop top VCR would still work if I plugged it back in. The air conditioner in my bedroom is 20yo and still saving my life every day in the brisbane summer. Magic stuff. And nice to use aswell. Cannot recommend panasonic highly enough.

    I pretty much know what I want. For heavy drilling I'll plug in the bosch. I am not at all sure I'll ever buy cordless saws and such. I really just want a drill driver, no hammer action, and an impact driver or wrench. The wrench is certainly appealing, I could keep that in the car and take off wheel nuts quick if I get a flat
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    For working in a workshop building the sort of stuff that is done in workshops 12V is the most needed for 99% of work. Bosch are just about to release in Oz (so a rep informed me) this set which competes with Festool on accessories like right angle drive etc

    Bosch 12V FlexiClick 5-in-1 Drill Driver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Parks View Post
    For working in a workshop building the sort of stuff that is done in workshops 12V is the most needed for 99% of work. Bosch are just about to release in Oz (so a rep informed me) this set which competes with Festool on accessories like right angle drive etc

    Bosch 12V FlexiClick 5-in-1 Drill Driver
    2 drills always beats 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by 44Ronin View Post
    2 drills always beats 1
    And three beats two!
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    Quote Originally Posted by damian View Post
    Ebay is a strange thing.

    How do they find people dumb enough to buy this stuff ??
    The same way they find people to vote.

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    That bosh kit would be handy in confined spaces. I have a nudge bar for my AU but to fit it I have to take off the bumper. With that I could drill without the disassembly, but then I could just buy a right angle drive for my existing drill.

    I was poking around on amazon and can get this 2 piece hitachi 18V kit for $192 delivered.

    https://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-KC18D...n%3A3242350011

    It's superseded and the drill has less than stellar reviews (not bad mind but I think it was always an entry level kit), but that's a lot of good gear for $192, and I can buy hitachi skins in future if I want to. I do realise the charger is 110V but a converter will soon fix that. The chargers only draw about 50W and an aussie charger is $50 so...

    I could buy 2 milwaukee 12V skins for about $175 2 12V batteries and a charger all up it'd cost about $250. Metal chucks brushless motors and similar specs to the hitachi kit. I'm not sold on milwaukee though. I know a lot of people are using them but they are pretty new to the australian market.

    Mind hitachi are changing their name so maybe they have imbecile management and will go broke...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Parks View Post
    For working in a workshop building the sort of stuff that is done in workshops 12V is the most needed for 99% of work. Bosch are just about to release in Oz (so a rep informed me) this set which competes with Festool on accessories like right angle drive etc

    Bosch 12V FlexiClick 5-in-1 Drill Driver
    Yup, Chris, those are the ones that come with my Festool CSX 10.8v (I think in the USA the Festool is rated a 12v drill?! - it does not feel as powerful as my Panasonic 12v). I am sure the Bosch will cost less. But will it be reliable? I have a few Bosch green tools, which have been excellent, but I keep reading that Bosch (blue?) in Oz is unreliable. Well-loved in the USA, however.

    Regards from Perth

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekcohen View Post
    Yup, Chris, those are the ones that come with my Festool CSX 10.8v (I think in the USA the Festool is rated a 12v drill?! - it does not feel as powerful as my Panasonic 12v). I am sure the Bosch will cost less. But will it be reliable? I have a few Bosch green tools, which have been excellent, but I keep reading that Bosch (blue?) in Oz is unreliable. Well-loved in the USA, however.

    Regards from Perth

    Derek
    I'm not sure about current Bosch Blue stuff, but I purchased a bosch 18V cordless drill, "The Destroyer", just on 7 years ago. It was made in Switzerland back then. I've gone through two sets of brushes, and the grip has basically worn away completely but the drill is still going as strong as ever. It's taken a real beating, making multiple large decks, pergolas, vege-boxes and every other use in-between. I have also not had any reliability issues with any other Bosch Blue tools I own and all have been used a fair bit (belt sander (swiss made), rotary orbital sander (German), orbital sander, impact drill, hammer drill, grinder (swiss), powered plane; which seems blasphemous now, but is still handy for construction jobs, and their small palm router). My concern is with Bosch moving to the big-box store, the quality may have suffered due to potential cost-reductions necessary to meet required price-points. They've certainly moved a lot of production to Asia it seems.

    Cheers,

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    I have a number of bosch blue and green tools. The green are a bit better than the old ryobi/ozito etc. My 4" green angle grinder is on it's last legs but I've had it at least 30 years and worked it hard. My blue drill won't reverse anymore, it's about 20 years old and done a fair bit of work. My green jigsaw is still fine after 30 odd years but not that much work. I've got a blue ros that is relatively new. Does the job but I don't like some aspects of the design. There may be other bosh powertools in the shed, I've had it all so long it doesn't register anymore.

    I used to buy bosch when everyone else was buying makita. I've got a couple of makita things and they are beautiful, but they are also old. I have seen some of the newer stuff and I'm not convinced it is the same quality. I am prepared to believe I'm wrong.

    Seriously thinking of buying that hitachi kit off amazon though. I'll resist until I've looked at bunnings tomorrow... I am very impressed with the 12V hitachi. Got it at a garage sale. Batteries on last legs and it's done a lot of work, but it is nice to use. If that kit is as nice I would be very happy, and it's only about $40 more than the equivalent ozito...although no warranty...

    There is also this for about $150 landed in case anyone is just after an impact driver...

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N3W7122...X3SP73MV&psc=0
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    My experience of recent Bosch blue equipment has been positive with no issues at all. Yes, made in China but it seems to hang in there on quality and value for money.
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    Well I went to bunnings today and spent some time looking at the tools.

    The ozito stuff is improving but it is obviously not in the same class as the makita. Having said that looking at the cheap makita and the 12V makita kit frankly I'd probably buy the similarly priced AEG. Once you go up a notch the makita stuff appears to be the sort of quality you'd expect. The $179 makita drill kit is a bit better than the $150 ozito offering but not nearly as nice as the $199 makita kit. On paper they are similar specs but in the flesh.

    Obviously this is based on looking it over and fiddling with it in store, I couldn't go and put them to work...

    Anyway I came home and bought the hitachi on amazon. $192 for a drill, impact driver 2 batteries and a 110V charger. Yes it's USA so no warrantee but it's hitachi. It should be fine.
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    Just a quick update. My hitachi are still on the way but I was in trade tools today and had a look at the milwaukee and renegade 12V 2 piece sets.

    The milwaukee are $199 and better than the equivalent makita and aeg sets in bunnings.

    The 12V renegade are $140 and really nice. They really look and feel like quality tools. Obviously this is based only on my examination in store. If I were looking for a drill and impact driver and wasn't looking for other skins to use the same batteries I'd buy the renegade ahead of the ozito. 2c...
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    I have a Makita 18v LXT series. It spins around and makes holes and drives screws and it's never given me any grief whatsoever. Only one I've ever had, only one I've ever needed. I can't comment on it vs others, but I can say I've never considered replacing it.

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    I’ve had Makita for last 6 years with no trouble.

    The new batteries with the fuel gauge are great and you have lots of choice between other cordless tools. Batteries between 3ah to 6ah will be fine for the drill and work well with most of their other tools. At the moment the sweet spot price wise seems 4-5ah.

    If you’re likely to look at other cordless tools in the future go Makita or Dewalt, they have a massive range of very good cordless tools...


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