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    A bit OT but I was amazed today to see that Milwaukee have a 9 ampHr battery (18V). (I use DeWalt myself (I reckon they're all pretty good nowadays.))
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    If you're looking at trade quality tools, avoid Bunnings as even their Makita range can vary from Makitas better gear. However I suggest you try any of the major brands (Makita, Milwaukee, Dewalt, Hitachi, etc.), with batteries to see which one suits you better.
    Also check what other cordless tools they make that you might buy down the line, because you can usually just buy the tool without a charge etc, making it cheaper.
    My personal experience is I've had a Makita drill and driver for about 4 years with 3x3ah batteries and haven't had any issue with them, from doing fine furniture work to drilling concrete they haven't missed a beat. I also bought their 5" cordless angle grinder which has been fantastic.
    A workmate has Milwaukee and we've found them to be really good aswell.
    Happy shopping and while it's good to get advise from others, be prepared to throw it out the window and buy what you feel best suits your needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJM16 View Post
    If you're looking at trade quality tools, avoid Bunnings as even their Makita range can vary from Makitas better gear.
    I'm not a Bunnings fan but if you compare and buy direct on model numbers you cannot really go wrong.
    I usually look for the model number in stores and then and go to the manufacturers website to look at the specs. Then compare prices for the same model across on-line, hardware store etc.
    I ended up buying two brushless Makita's from bunnings as they were within a couple of $ of the best on-line price and then a PowerPass brought it down below the best online price.

    What I have noticed the hardware stores tend to do is offer cheap combos which do usually contain gear at the lower end of performance.
    However, if you are buying a specific model number skin that you know the specs of you should be OK.

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    Thanks for the replies. I've been doing more research and now I'm even more undecided

    I came across the Makita DLX2131X which are on special (around $360) at a few places. A lot of the stuff I do involves drilling and screwing so having a drill and driver would be handy.

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpsmusic View Post
    Thanks for the replies. I've been doing more research and now I'm even more undecided
    I came across the Makita DLX2131X which are on special (around $360) at a few places. A lot of the stuff I do involves drilling and screwing so having a drill and driver would be handy.

    Thoughts?
    If you look at the model numbers of the drill and driver and compare these with similar models in the Makita range you will see they are mid range products.
    Not that I think there's anything wrong with them, I think they are good products and worth the money.
    The batteries are 3Ah which I actually prefer when working all day in the shed with them over the 4 and 5A batteries because they get heavy pretty quickly.
    You will eventually need a spare battery - thats when you can get a bigger battery if you feel like it.

    As far as drill/driver combos go, I had a drill/driver combo before and it drove me nuts because I found I was still swapping bits because the driver won't hold the drill bits - but the drill can hold a driver..
    What I wanted was two of the lightweight brushless drills but of course they don't come in a kit do they so I had to pay for them all separately.
    I now have 3 drills and mix and match the bits and drivers however I like and I reckon it was worth the extra cost.
    That's just me maybe it will work for you.

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    "As far as drill/driver combos go, I had a drill/driver combo before and it drove me nuts because I found I was still swapping bits because the driver won't hold the drill bits - but the drill can hold a driver."

    Plenty of 1/4" hex bit drills available, the big green shed even has brad points https://www.bunnings.com.au/bosch-5-...t-set_p6320144 and there's heaps more available on ebay. Haven't tried yet, but I've been told that the impact drivers are great with spade bits for boring large holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 62woollybugger View Post
    "As far as drill/driver combos go, I had a drill/driver combo before and it drove me nuts because I found I was still swapping bits because the driver won't hold the drill bits - but the drill can hold a driver."

    Plenty of 1/4" hex bit drills available, the big green shed even has brad points https://www.bunnings.com.au/bosch-5-...t-set_p6320144 and there's heaps more available on ebay. Haven't tried yet, but I've been told that the impact drivers are great with spade bits for boring large holes.
    Unfortunately the last thing I need to buy is another set of drill bits as I already have an embarrassing number of "drill bit sets".
    Only my spade bit and stepped drills sets are hex shank

    The others include
    1/16-1/2" P&N 64ths,
    1/8 - 1/2" P&N 32nds long,
    1/16 - 1/2" P&N 64ths short,
    1 to 10 mm in 0,1mm steps - this started out as a chinese set but have over the last decade the broken bits in common thread tapping sizes been replaced with P&N and Suttons
    3/32 to 1/2" 64ths brad points,
    A full set of Forstner bits,
    Various Masonry and tile bits,
    Various Cobalt bits for hard steel,
    9/16 to 1." set of reduced shank,
    Various counter sinks from 1/4" to 3/4"
    plus a box containing many dozens of spares mainly from my FILs collection.

    The most common ones I use are the 0.1mm step set and I haven't seen these in hex shank and I would imagine replacements life even available would cost more than a regular bit.

    With so many round shank bits in my possession, if bought a driver the first thing I would probably buy for it would not be another set of bits, but a chuck.
    One issue is the hex shank chucks available are usually only 1/4" and would like something a little bigger.
    I see that there are some on eBay that are 3/8" which would be better - can anyone recommend one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    I see that there are some on eBay that are 3/8" which would be better - can anyone recommend one?
    I see on eBay that Makita have 3/8", 1/4" hex shank chuck (number 192077) but cannot find it for sale anywhere in Oz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpsmusic View Post
    Thanks for the replies. I've been doing more research and now I'm even more undecided
    ...

    Thoughts?
    Exactly how I felt last year.
    I suspect that any of the modern 18v sets from any of these trade quality brands are more than enough for the DIY hobbyist.
    Plus plenty of guys are happy with their AEG, Bosch green and Ryobi cordless gear.

    Mine are 6amph batteries which is more than enough to go all day. I'm thinking my next batteries will be smaller not bigger.
    So what I'm saying is that you'll probably be very happy with whatever new set you get these days.
    Go for a brand that has all the skins you are likely to ever need.
    Just make sure you get a warranty and you'll be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    I'm not a Bunnings fan but if you compare and buy direct on model numbers you cannot really go wrong.
    I usually look for the model number in stores and then and go to the manufacturers website to look at the specs. Then compare prices for the same model across on-line, hardware store etc. .......


    Good advice, Bob, but I'd add one refinement.

    If the observed model number is not on the manufacturer's website, then it is probably a super junk exclusive for BigChain retailer. Avoid like the plague.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GraemeCook View Post
    Good advice, Bob, but I'd add one refinement.

    If the observed model number is not on the manufacturer's website, then it is probably a super junk exclusive for BigChain retailer. Avoid like the plague.
    It could also be what they call a grey import.
    Available in some countries but not officially locally - can also lead to warranty problems.

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    I splashed out on the new Bosch brushless drill and driver set. GSB 18 VE-EC is the drill from memory.

    Amazing bit of kit. Overkill for home needs? Completely! The batteries are amazing, can leave them a month and they have all the go I need. Solid tools. Metal chuck. Yet to drop them, but they feel like they will survive (and are meant to). Worth it? Well, I can't remember having that money anymore, but I sure enjoy the tool every time I use it.

    Cost $600 in a hard case with charger and two 6ah batteries (bought from Sydney tools. Bunnings carry the same drill for the same price but with 4ah batteries...) This kit

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    I've been looking into this aswell and frankly I find the multitude of options overwhelming.

    I have a related question if I may. Looking at these:

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/makita-1...-only_p6240157

    I assume that is an electric rattle gun ?

    While this

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/makita-1...-only_p6240335

    Is an "impact driver" ? How is it different ? Is it just a lighter version of a rattle gun ? does it have a hammer action to help self drilling screws ? is it different ? I realise it is a small female hex drive.

    I trained as a motor mechanic 25+ years ago so am familiar with air driven rattle guns. I have no experience with these modern things.

    I am slightly tempted to try the good old XU1 combo kit:

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/xu1-2-pi...o-kit_p6290570

    just to see how I'd feel about these things. I have an old ryobi 14.4 drill that I bought decades ago. It's near pristine but the battery is on it's last legs having not been kept charged. I've also got an old hitachi 12v pre lithium who's batteries are almost shot. I have not previously used these tools much but I find lately I am turning to them often so thinking of buying something that will run for more than 10 minutes between charges...

    My neighbour bought a big Milwaukee kit. He is a builder and seems to think the Milwaukee has more torque than the others. Not sure why that matters.

    I have heard time and again that makita offer superior spares backup to the other brands. That might be of interest if you consider repairing rather than chuck and replace...

    I can not imagine buying other cordless tools beyond a drill and river. I'm really only in this spot because my bosh blue corded drill refuses to reverse...
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    Quote Originally Posted by damian View Post
    I have a related question if I may. Looking at these:

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/makita-1...-only_p6240157

    I assume that is an electric rattle gun ?

    While this

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/makita-1...-only_p6240335

    Is an "impact driver" ? How is it different ? Is it just a lighter version of a rattle gun ? does it have a hammer action to help self drilling screws ? is it different ? I realise it is a small female hex drive.
    Correct, it's basically a light rattle gun with a 1/4" hex drive for screwdriver bits instead of a 1/2" square drive for sockets. The only real difference is how much torque you'll get out of it (150ish Nm instead of 2-300Nm, or 1500-1700Nm on the supersize ones) and possibly how hard each impact hits.

    I'm always wary of bottom of the barrel brands like XU1, maybe consider the Ozito kit https://www.bunnings.com.au/ozito-18...l-kit_p6290524 instead; their stuff is pretty good for the money and you get a bag as well

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