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  1. #31
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    Thank you for the reply.

    One of the great things about this forum is you don't automatically get a religeous war when you mention something like XU1 or Ozito.

    I've seen ozito tools that were absolutely dangerous. I have several which range from barely useful to unbelievably good.

    I have an XU1 heat gun which I've had for maybe 10 years. A heat gun is a pretty fool proof tool so it's not surprising it does what it's needed to do.

    I did look at the ozito. It's 70% dearer than the XU1 combo. The big problem to me with cheap drills is the chucks. I've seen some shocking chucks. I've been looking at the makita and name brand sets but I'm getting older and doing less and less general work. I've got a really good workshop and these are going to be knocking about the house type tools.

    I suppose I should try to find a bunnings that has them on display. It is remarkable how much stuff on their website isn't in stock when you visit even a really big store...
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    I would be loathe to buy anything under the XU1 brand unless I expect it to be pretty much a single use item for a specific project. Ozito however I don't have much of a problem with. I've owned an Ozito biccy jointer, a belt sander, a gardening recip saw/pruner and their indestructible SSD drill. Quality wise I regard them as being the same as Ryobi; no better and no worse but significantly cheaper. They WILL have restrictions in their abilities, they may have a lot of slop and slack in their mechanisms and they will have a built-in expiry date but where cheap tools are concerned they trump everybody else. In addition Bunnings have their 12M replacement guarantee. As I stated at the beginning of this post I own and highly recommend the AEG range but in a situation where I have to balance the cost of a new tool verses realistically how little use I'd actually get out of it I'd go for an Ozito badge with no qualms.
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    Good Morning Gentlemen

    I did some research into AEG three or four years ago, prompted by the timeless life of my elderly AEG powertools. Hope my memory is accurate !

    • AEG was founded in Berlin in the 1880's and the "E" initially stood for Edison - there was some sort of licensing agreement and a minor shareholding by Thomas Edison.
    • It grew into a massive electrical/electronic conglomerate.
    • It got into financial difficulties in the early 1980's.
    • 1985 AEG was taken over by Daimler-Benz.
    • 1992 Daimler-Benz sold the AEG powertool divison to Atlas Copco of Sweden.
    • Ten years later Atlas Copco realised that the biggest competitor to their airtools was AEG powertools, and this did not make commercial sense. They then onsold AEG powertools, c.2005, to Techtronic Industries of Hong Kong, with factories across the border in Shenzen.


    Techtronics manufacure under several brands including GMC (deceased), Milwaukee, AEG, Ozito, Homelite, Vax and Ryobi. Ryobi is their principal brand and all the others are effectively secondary labels.

    My assessment of AEG is that during its era of independence and following the seemless integration with Daimler-Benz it produced very high quality powertools, and while owned by Atlas Copco the quality may even have been higher. Unfortunately, AEG is no longer a premium brand.


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    No question. Makita

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    +1 for Makita
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinosour View Post
    No question. Makita
    Always question, for all drills and tools for that matter, does it feel and function right in your hands?

    Personally for me, the makitas direction toggle sticks out like a sore thumb and decides to lock itself up or turn direction all the time because its too low to the trigger for me, no idea why the toggles are so light to engage ....never had this problem with other brands for some reason?

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    I'm narrowing my options.

    I'm considering buying a pair of nicads for my hitachi DS12DVF3 and a second hand hitachi impact driver that uses the same batteries. I can probably do that for about $80. The DS12 is not an industrial quality tool but it is light and comfortable to use and even with the semi stuffed batteries I am happy using it. Trouble is nicads need regular charging and I'm likely to leave them on the shelf...

    I had a look at the ozito and realised with current pricing I could buy the $99 drill kit with 2 x 1.5 ah batteries and another $39 the basic driver. I'd miss out on the duffel bag but save $20 on the $169 kit. It's a pity they don't do a brushless drill driver kit as it should be a lot cheaper than the brushless hammer drill kit. I don't need hammer action on the cordless.

    Anyway that's where I am now. I really can't justify spending big $ on industrial quality tools I will use so infrequently.

    It is baffling though. Juts trying to navigate makita's product range will do your head in...
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    Using your logic, its a no brainer, go for the Ozito kit, you get no memory issues with the batteries and a warranty to boot, the secound hand option has but one guarantee, trouble with no comeback
    The person who never made a mistake never made anything

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    It all depends on the life of the batteries. There are plenty of 6 year warranties around for power tools but there are some exemptions to these warranties, batteries and drill chucks being the main ones. It makes little sense to buy a tool that is made to last 20 years if the batteries go out of production in 5 years. I had plenty of battery tools that were mechanically sound but the batteries were dead and replacements were unavailable. My Triton drill was a fine example of engineering that was let down by battery technology. With luck my new Dewalt tools will last a bit longer.

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    The hitachi may not be their trade quality tool but it is a very high quality bit of gear. I was looking at how well the chuck was made today.

    I was using it again this morning and thinking once again that maximum torque isn't always ideal with a hand held drill. The hitachi is small and light and a pleasure to use.

    Also the hitachi option is half or less the price of the ozito option.

    So your point is well taken, and I had thought of that myself, but I don't agree it's a no brainer.

    Anyway I've been having a close look at the ozito options atm. Being me I built a spreadsheet and played with some numbers, some of which might be of interest.

    There are 3 kits that include 2 x 1.5 Ah batteries and charger. If you deduct the skin only cost the charge for the batteries and charger are as follows:

    2 Piece Drill Kit ($169) $81 for the batteries/charger (and a duffel bag)
    Drill Driver Kit With Kitbox ($99) $60 for the batteries/charger (and a plastic box)
    Brushless Hammer Drill Kit ($159) $29 for the batteries/charger

    That is probably because the brushless hammer drill is stupidly overpriced as a skin. In both the brushed and brushless tools the only difference between the drill drivers and hammer drills is the hammer action. In each case they have the same torque max speed etc. (although the brushless have more torque and higher speed).

    I'm going to go to bunnings and maybe trade tools tomorrow and have a look. I might look at the 12V hitachi stuff aswell. As far as I can tell makita have the best reputation for spares backup but I wonder if anyone repairs anything anymore. The tradies I know are using milwaukee and hitachi as much as makita now. I am not convinced all makita stuff made now is up to their historical standards. I'll have a look though...
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    If you are considering building up a system of cordless, Makita is the go. I have the Bosch Blue and whilst they are good, there is limited add on tools.
    Determine a price point, decide if you want to build a system around cordless, have a look around at some reviews ( oz tool talk on youtube) do reviews which may assist.

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    I'm coming in late to this threat, and likely therefore to muddy the waters.

    I think that one must decide what the tool is for. In my case, the drill is for use in a home workshop. I build furniture. For heavy use around the house I have had a corded Makita for 30+ years. It does not get used when building furniture.

    For furniture I have two drills. One is a Panasonic 12v, which is 20 years old now. The batteries have been replaced a few times, but it just goes on and on. It has all the power I need for heavier drilling (bits up to 3/8"), and is a beautifully balanced drill. Not as light as modern drills, but a testament to a great manufacturer. Panasonic for longevity!

    The other drill/driver is small, a Festool 10.6v. I purchased it because it is light and balanced, and just the job for fitting screws. It will do this is tight spaces - the drill comes with a variety of accessories for this. Yes, the Festool was more expensive than, say, a Makita, but I swallowed once and have forgotten the cost (as with the Panasonic).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 44Ronin View Post
    Always question, for all drills and tools for that matter, does it feel and function right in your hands?

    Personally for me, the makitas direction toggle sticks out like a sore thumb and decides to lock itself up or turn direction all the time because its too low to the trigger for me, no idea why the toggles are so light to engage ....never had this problem with other brands for some reason?
    This.

    It doesn't matter how expensive or well-built it is if it's not comfortable to hold

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    Quote Originally Posted by damian View Post
    It is baffling though. Juts trying to navigate makita's product range will do your head in...
    I did this a few years ago, I'm pretty sure the codes are still the same Makita Drill numbering system

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    You might want to consider a combo of a drill/driver with hammer action and an impact driver. Hammer action 18V cordless drills are perfectly capable of drilling 1/4" holes in concrete and brick, I rarely reach for my corded 1/2" chuck drill now.

    As for an impact driver; think of it as a baby rattle gun for wood. I often use both tools in pairs; the impact driver set up for pre-drilling using a hex drive drill bit and the drill as a torque screwdriver. Impact drivers are high speed and you never get problems with the drill bit slipping in the chuck. Where the impact driver really comes into its own though is in driving BIG screws; my AEG will bury 6" 14g gal self-drilling screws into treated pine in seconds with no pre-drilling, wrenching of the wrist or having to reach for a spanner or socket to finish the job.

    My 75yo neighbour has limited wrist strength now and often borrows my driver if he's got more than one or two biggish screws to drive.
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