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    Default Forstner Bits Set.

    I ordered a set of replacement Forstner Bits which arrived today. They look to be machined to a much higher standard than those I have purchased in the past..

    Stewie;

    http://www.wizardproducts.com.au/p88...-piece-set.htm

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    thanks for this - just got me some too. they have 10 piece and 7 piece sets.

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    Default Famag from Germany

    I have a set like that ,that I bought at the recent Perth TWW show.

    I do like the Famag ones from Germany that I have also bought in the past.

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    I ordered the larger set, which I used last weekend. The bits come in a useful box, but that is about the only kind thing I can say. The finish was poor compared to the Carbatec cheapies, edges appeared ragged, and they were dull. I needed to sharpen the 3/4" bit before it would cut. Not recommended.

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    How effectively do they clear themselves of chips? I have a few which just drive me nuts as they always pack up and smoke before I go one bit depth.
    Hardwood birch, softwood pine/cedar = all the same.

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    RV, that is the point. I chucked the 3/4" bit into my drill press and lowered it into softish Jarrah. It was like getting fine shavings/dust. The bit was heating up, and starting to blacken - this in a few seconds, even when retracting it to cool and expel chips. The cutting surfaces were ragged and dull. I used a couple of diamond paddles on them, and suddenly I was getting thick shavings being expelled from the hole.

    They are a cheap set - about $65 (I cannot recall exactly) and so probably not worth making a number of phone calls or emails and then sending across the country after to return. I will contact the agent for comment.

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    Derek
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    Quote Originally Posted by derekcohen View Post
    RV, that is the point. I chucked the 3/4" bit into my drill press and lowered it into softish Jarrah. It was like getting fine shavings/dust. The bit was heating up, and starting to blacken - this in a few seconds, even when retracting it to cool and expel chips. The cutting surfaces were ragged and dull. I used a couple of diamond paddles on them, and suddenly I was getting thick shavings being expelled from the hole.

    They are a cheap set - about $65 (I cannot recall exactly) and so probably not worth making a number of phone calls or emails and then sending across the country after to return. I will contact the agent for comment.
    Are any of these inexpensive sets worthwhile? I have the Carbatec set (10 years? old) in a nice wooden box, and they are not up to much. The Maxi-Cut Forstners from Brett group buys are good, Lee Valley good for odd sizes (I have not pushed the odd sizes I purchased on a recent trip, but work well so far in hardwood). An Austrian (Stubai I think) 3/4" drilled around 12 dogholes in my 2" hardwood benchtop without any protest, after the Carbatec one gave up the ghost after 2 holes - and is still going strong years later. You get what you pay for I guess

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    Matching the correct speed to dia. of the forstner bit is also an important factor if you want to eliminate overheating. http://www.wizardproducts.com.au/p88...-piece-set.htm

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    Good point about speed, Stewie. In my case, I slow the speed down, so it is unlikely to be due to this factor. I think any burning is simply a result of the bit not cutting, which then forces it to spin in the same spot.

    A would love to get Maxi-cut, or similar. I am prepared to pay more than Carbatec prices. However I need Imperial bits, and all the decent ones are Metric.

    Regards from Perth

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekcohen View Post
    A would love to get Maxi-cut, or similar. I am prepared to pay more than Carbatec prices. However I need Imperial bits, and all the decent ones are Metric.
    Derek, Check with Brett, but his last list included imperial sizes. I don't know when the next relevant group buy is though. Lee Valley sell imperial sizes
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    Thanks Peter.

    I looked at the Maxi-cut on the Lee Valley site. I note that they have "extenders" available. Are these necessary for each drill bit, or are they just optional to increase the depth?

    http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/pag...at=1,180,42240

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekcohen View Post
    Thanks Peter.

    I looked at the Maxi-cut on the Lee Valley site. I note that they have "extenders" available. Are these necessary for each drill bit, or are they just optional to increase the depth?

    http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/pag...at=1,180,42240

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    Derek, extenders not required, I don't have any extenders for my Maxi-cuts
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    Thanks Peter. That makes a purchase less complicated.

    Regards from Perth

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    I have bought a few sets of Forstner bits and found that the Lee Valley and Maxi-Cut bits are High Speed Steel, and don't loose their temper if heated. I have also seen a number of other bits from India and China with and without a 'gold' plating job and they are plain carbon steel which does soften when heated to smoking hot;. The gold coloured plating does not have to be Titanium Nitride, it can be done with electroplated cadmium and other processes which do not give anything other than a false sense of security.

    As for the Maxi-cut extensions, make sure they are clean and lubricated inside as they will lock on very tight, not a quick finger flick to remove the bit from the extension.

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    The gold coloured plating does not have to be Titanium Nitride, it can be done with electroplated cadmium and other processes which do not give anything other than a false sense of security.
    The Wizard website states
    • Titanium Nitride Coating allows bits to stay cooler while drilling at higher speeds with prolonged effective work life.


    They promise much. I did handle them at the recent Perth Woodshow and was impressed enough by their presentation there to consider them at the time.

    To be fair, I will take some close-ups of the set I have - only used one so far - for others to determine whether they are value-for-money or just cheap-and-as-poor-as-all-the-others. It is probably a lesson that there are no free lunches.

    Regards from Perth

    Derek
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