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    Default Recommendations for a biscuit joiner that isn't deafening

    Hi all, I have a project that looks like a biscuit joiner is the most likely way to go for it, but I'm after one that doesn't sound like a bucket of bolts in a blender. I don't need much in the way of power, and I know that yes they are basically an angle grinder with a 90 degree gear assembly, so can anyone recommend one they know to be reasonably quiet, relatively speaking of course.

    cheers, Ian

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    Bunnings have a Makita and a Dewalt biscuit jointer, either of those will perform well for you but will still require you to wear hearing protection. They also stock a Ryobi and an Ozito model; as well as being sub-par tools they are even noisier.

    This is an area where as a beginner to biscuit joinery you need to start off with a half decent tool from the get go. The cheaper machines have a lot of slop and whereas they can be used to make decent joints you really need to be experienced enough to know how to compensate for their many failings.

    And biscuits; stick with Harron branded ones from Bunnies too. Theyíre US made from beech; Aussie ones tend to be made from softwoods like hoop pine.
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    Hi Chief, I've got an ELU BD140 biscuit jointer I've been using now at least 3 decades, (couldn't be happier with it, best design I reckon), but I need another to disassemble for a project, sort of a small finger jointer. As the duty cycle will be higher than using for biscuits, I'm trying to find a (cheapish) one to pull apart and frankenstein it as needed.

    I bought a s/h Ryobi, but even after overhauling it and repacking the gears, it's still extremely noisy. I've got another lined up in a couple weeks to try, so I'll see how that goes.

    I'm thinking if I could find one with a variable speed, that might even do the trick. I'll see, I suspect I might have a few biscuit jointers for sale down the track! ;-)

    cheers, Ian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratbag View Post
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    Not that I'm after a Lamello as that's a bit high end for my needs, and it would be a real shame to pull it apart, but I saw last night there was a guy on gumtree selling a cordless one for around $550. Pretty good price.

    cheers, Ian

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    Can I suggest that a pair of 34dB Ear Muffs might be cheaper than buying/selling several BJs? If it's only one project....unless it's neighbourly noise that is the concern?
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    May I suggest dowels as an alternative. It's beautiful for alignment and the joints are at least as strong, you only need a decent drill and a dowelling jig and kit. No ear muffs necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    Can I suggest that a pair of 34dB Ear Muffs might be cheaper than buying/selling several BJs? If it's only one project....unless it's neighbourly noise that is the concern?
    It is purely the neighbour noise I'm concerned with. Pretty much all my tools are induction motors and don't create much noise, but this is being frakensteined into a finger jointer/jig and will be running for hours on end so I want to keep the noise to acceptable levels. It will be something along the lines of the tiny Proxxon table saw with a sliding jig assembly, although the very short duty cycle and the fact it's so underpowered renders it pretty useless for my needs.

    If I really have to resort to it, I could go to a router instead which would be a far less ideal and very inefficient solution given the router bits would be pretty heavily loaded in use, but a biscuit jointer gives a nice workable design that can be modified for my needs without an excessive amount of work, while retaining good accuracy/alignment out of the box. Also more importantly, I'd probably never have to change the blade, whereas I'd be chewing through router bits which would also struggle cutting the fingers compared to a blade.

    cheers, Ian

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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    Can I suggest that a pair of 34dB Ear Muffs might be cheaper than buying/selling several BJs? If it's only one project....unless it's neighbourly noise that is the concern?
    Could always just buy the neighbours some too

    Have you considered a Domino instead? Bit more versatile. Possibly quieter, I donít know cos I donít have a biscuit jointer. The domino makes a screechy kinda drill sound but not sure itís loud enough to bother the neighbours. That said Iím on an acre sooo


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    If you have a router, what about slot cutting bits. CARB-I-TOOL - Router Bit and Accessories Catalogue - NOVEMBER 2015

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    Thats lateral thinking, bj for finger joints, I like the idea, you got me thinking now .......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyjack View Post
    If you have a router, what about slot cutting bits. CARB-I-TOOL - Router Bit and Accessories Catalogue - NOVEMBER 2015
    If they were smaller that would definitely be the easiest option, but they don't give the height unfortunately, I need to do up to 100mm high parts

    cheers, Ian

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    For my application I think I've given up on the idea of using the biscuit jointer now, it would be the best and simplest way to go, but from what I can see pretty much all the BJ's on the market run between 96dB to 105dB at idle, so for hours on end I would consider it just too excessive to the neighbours.

    Even the Lamello runs around 95-96dB surprisingly, I guess there's no getting around that being a brushed motor without any soft start, and especially using a right angle gear assembly, simply means damn loud.

    I do have a new 3/4HP induction motor and the helical gear assembly from my old chop saw that died, so I might machine up some brackets/mounts and a keyed sleeve to fit the gear shaft from the old motor onto the new. From testing it jerry-rigged it seems pretty quiet, certainly far quieter than a normal saw and magnitudes less than a BJ, so I think this will work fine, just means a lot more work for me! ;-(

    At least I won't have a duty cycle issue with it.

    Thanks all for the input.

    cheers, Ian

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    Small CNC watercooled spindle, very quite to the point of you nearly can't hear it until the bit begins cutting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Parks View Post
    Small CNC watercooled spindle, very quite to the point of you nearly can't hear it until the bit begins cutting.
    They are the bee's knee's, but same problem with the cutting height.

    Looks like the lathe and mill will be getting a good workout over the coming months (years?) with this project!

    cheers, Ian

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