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    A long time ago I snapped the CL in my left knee. That stung.

    Now in the workshop after a good day its "pretty sore".

    Does anyone have any witchcraft they employ to help out them in the studio?

    Its not so much the standing, but the millions of little back/forward/left/right/twists/lift/sways that do it in. Some days I feel like an old galleon I creak so much.

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    I have been doing 15 minutes of Taekwando stretching in the mornings.

    They are not the crazy jumping, prancing things you see the black bels dudes doing but more like pilates type stretching.

    I do most of the stretches shown in the last half of this set plus a few others
    https://youtu.be/3wvLWrR8RTg

    It takes many months to feel an noticeable effect but eventually I noticed a bit more strength and this eventually leads to a bit less pain.

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    As above technically I hold 2 Dan Black belt in Tae Kwon Do (many years ago now) I was to point of considering knee replacements, I went to see a exercise physiologist who specialized in older people he gave me exercise to do, many are the same as warm ups from TKD also light weights I have my own gym set up.
    This was about 8 months ago and now I feel better than I have for years, no more thoughts of knee replacement not saying I'm 100% but I can now get about and do most things, He said the consensus is that you stop exercising when you get older his answer is you you get old if you stop excersising

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodPixel View Post
    A long time ago I snapped the CL in my left knee. That stung.

    Now in the workshop after a good day its "pretty sore".

    Does anyone have any witchcraft they employ to help out them in the studio?

    Its not so much the standing, but the millions of little back/forward/left/right/twists/lift/sways that do it in. Some days I feel like an old galleon I creak so much.
    So after snapping the CL did you get it reconstructed? I get less pain from the knee with the reconstructed ACL than I get from the other knee which has almost no cartilage left.
    Can I suggest you get professional medical advice as the "problem" may be fixable with minor knee surgery to clean up some loose cartilage.

    anti-fatigue mats can help somewhat, as can an un-loader knee brace -- a local sports physio swears by the un-loader braces.

    knee strengthening exercises can help, but you have to work on the exercises -- an athlete coming back from a knee injury might exercise the injured joint for 4 to 5 hours per day, in other words their "job" would be the knee exercises.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    I ruptured my ACL in my left knee when I was 21, I declined to have it repaired due to the horror stories from a few mates. After 20 years of wear it just got too unstable, I got it repaired by a sports surgeon who does the footballers knees in Brisbane. My left knee is now better than my right knee which carried the load for 20 years.
    Bowen therapy did help with pain in the last few years before I got the repair done. Keeping fit is also important.
    ​Brad.

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    Well, I'm off to the doctor this arvo, so I'll talk about that too! Time for the chop!

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    How did you go?

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    Well! I was told to lose a ton of weight, vigorously walk 10 minutes a day working up to 1 hour.... and all the usual: get real sleep, drink more water, buy some decent shoes!

    I'd agree with the weight loss That should be easy....

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    That has always puzzled me some what, you have crook knees and you have difficulty walking so they tell you to do more walking?

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    Well, there was also the option of swimming and cycling. Doctor is a PhD in nutrition too (she's smart) and said, despite the bung knee, that walking is the best thing for it... Not some casual stroll around the Westfield, but a heart pounding sweat inducing effort.

    I will admit that my diet needs attention, but I'm lucky in that it's portion control rather than junk food or booze. Being real though, it would do me a world of wonder to lose 40kg.

    Bugger of being overweight is it obviously stresses everything to the max, so my marginal knee is even more marginal.

    For the question above, when it snapped it also tore ligaments on the side. It was a trauma to get fixed and was never the same. I've injured it many times quite badly over the years too.

    Overall, I'm keen to loose weight. Don't want to be carrying it when I hit my 50's.

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    Loathe to promote diets but see if you can get a hold of Doc Moselys book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodPixel View Post
    Well! I was told to lose a ton of weight, vigorously walk 10 minutes a day working up to 1 hour.... and all the usual: get real sleep, drink more water, buy some decent shoes!

    I'd agree with the weight loss That should be easy....
    based on my own experience

    lose a ton of weight -- tick

    vigorously walk up to 1 hour a day -- tick. The challenge is finding the hour.

    get real sleep -- tick. Poor sleep leads to unwillingness to exercise, to eating more, to even less exercise

    buy some decent shoes -- tick x 2.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    I've had injuries in both knees - the lasting one is no ACL in one. (Others: MCL tears, meniscus tear).
    With the *right* loading exercises other ligaments and muscles can be trained to compensate. And if you've had solid pain there's a good chance a muscle will have turned off as a protective response and you have to learn to turn it on again.
    Consult a good physio. Doctors don't have the experience or the right paradigm.
    With this regime, I'm still able to ski and bushwalk.

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    I tore an ACL after a motorcycle accident. As a disclaimer, my issues were not just a torn ACL, but a lot of other muscle and joint damage, inluding a fractured tibea. I ended up having an ACL reco. Had ongoing complications since, some related to the graft, some not. The first issue was not long after. I was unable to get full movement and that was working with the physio, MRI revealed a large growth of scar tissue on the donor ACL (hamstring tendon). Back in for surgery to clean that up an some other problems with the medial meniscus and infrapatella fat pad. So far I have had 3 sleeps in the operating theatre , and looks like I am going to have to go in for another.

    Despite the ongoing issues, I had to have the reco done as I had no joint stability. Now there is no issue with stability anymore, but the end result is ongoing pain and my knee giving way on me. I am now also having issues with my other knee, but I suspect that is just related to the lack of leg exercise that has resulted due to the problems with my left knee.

    I have good days and bad days. Only 40 years old too, so its a real concern for me. I used to be fairly fit (running and various sports) and and all that is gone out to door now. I am lucky that I am not one who suffers from depressions because some days it really has it moments and its frustrating as hell.

    Dont let me talk you out of a reconstruction, but just be aware is not always 100% successful. Have a really good chat with an orthopedic surgeon see what they have to say. Sometime a yearly cortisone shot will work provided you have joint stability. Your ortho is the best person to advise. I used Andrew Patten in Brisbane, and he has worked magic with the damage I had.

    Anyway, this post has motivated me to pull my finger out and start the process happening again. Been procrastinating too long because I really dont want anymore surgery. They want to remove one of the pins in my tibia where most of the pain is.

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    Re post #10:
    Just an extra 5 ml of fluid in the knee capsule can lead to the joint giving way, so anything that increases inflammation, like overuse or wrong weighting, should avoided. Anyone who advises exercising 'through the pain' should be asked to provide the research sources.
    Cheers, Ern

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