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  1. #106
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    Big Shed,

    Its Tasmania, almost anything is legal down there.

    Although the rules are slowly changing to meet Mainland requirements.

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    Interesting, yet you need 2 council inspections for waterproof floors on level 1!

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodPixel View Post
    Sure is a lot of government oversight and permission-giving for something you supposedly "own".
    not that it applies to SB, but more than a few owner builders flip the house after the build / reno, so that a water proofing "problem" becomes the next owner's responsibility.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superbunny View Post
    I will be running the plumbing and sealing it up after the first council inspection. The reason is that the shower base has to be installed in the bathroom corner after the council is happy with the waterproofing that it sits on, then I can do all the plumbing which is just sitting under the floor waiting. Then it's reinspected by council. After all this I can do the floor and wall tiles and install the draw units and sinks.
    Odd that your waterproofing can pass Council inspection with a hole in the floor.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Shed View Post
    SB, interesting to hear you say that you are doing the plumbing. In Victoria (and SA) only licenced plumbers are allowed to that and have to issue a certificate.

    Or are you a licenced plumber?
    I didn't mean 'I will be running the plumbing', it's mostly there under the floor waiting for my plumber to finish when the bathrooms and toilet have been inspected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    Odd that your waterproofing can pass Council inspection with a hole in the floor.
    Yes, I know what you mean and I thought the same. The council need to see the waterproofing where the shower base is going first, then you put in the shower base and connect the plumbing up, then a second inspection for the shower base sealing and shower walls along with the plumbing sealed in the floor. Hope that makes it clear.

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    SB, do you pay these inspectors for every inspection or is there a one off payment ? It's been a long time since I've had a house inspection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HUON View Post
    SB, do you pay these inspectors for every inspection or is there a one off payment ? It's been a long time since I've had a house inspection.
    Well it seems council no longer do the inspection since my building permit was issued. The building surveyor now does it all and they don't inspect here in the Launceston Council catchment. I went in to see them yesterday and they told me to see my building surveyor so I did. No inspection, just photos and sign a deceleration to say it complies. So Tasmania, gets away with the poorest standards again but it won't make any difference as I'll do it right as I'm living in the house and not selling it on.

    Huon, it is covered in all the fees you pay to get you building permits or in my case the fees I paid to retain my building surveyor at the start of the build.
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    I got done now with two coats and all looks good. Next the shower bases before we do the shower walls and waterproof them. Don't you just love the colour.

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    My mother in laws bathroom is this colour, even the sinks.

    I doubt it was ever in style, even in the 60's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superbunny View Post
    I got done now with two coats and all looks good.
    SB's Block in Tasmania Build-img_0615-jpg

    Don't you just love the colour.
    is it just me, or is there something completely absurd about being required to waterproof the floor (and wall studs?) without first covering the insulation?
    At the very least, for a shower, I would expect a requirement that the waterproofing extend to above the level of the shower head.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Ours was the same but it was years ago. They wanted to see the water proof return up the wall (100mm??) before the fibre cement sheeting went in and over it. Not sure if that the same in SB's case.

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    The following is extracted from current NCC applicable to all states & territories of Australia except SA

    Table 3.8.1.1 WATERPROOFING AND WATER RESISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDING ELEMENTS IN WET AREAS
    Vessels or area where the fixture is installed
    Floors and horizontal surfaces
    Walls
    Wall junctions and joints
    Wall / floor junctions
    Penetrations
    Shower area (enclosed and unenclosed)
    With hob
    Waterproof floor in shower area (including any hob or step-down).
    (a) Waterproof all walls in shower area to a height the greater of— (i) not less than 150 mm above floor substrate; or (ii) not less than 25 mm above maximum retained water level; and (b) Water resistant walls in shower area to not less than 1800 mm above finished floor level of the shower.
    Waterproof wall junctions within shower area.
    Waterproof wall / floor junctions within shower area.
    Waterproof penetrations in shower area.
    With step-down
    Without hob or step-down
    With preformed shower base
    N/A
    Water resistant walls in shower area to not less than 1800 mm above finished floor level of the shower.
    Waterproof wall junctions within shower area.
    Waterproof wall / floor junctions within shower area.
    Waterproof penetrations in shower area.
    NCC 2016 Building Code of Australia -Volume Two Page 311
    3.8.1.2
    HEALTH AND AMENITY
    Table 3.8.1.1 WATERPROOFING AND WATER RESISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDING ELEMENTS IN WET AREAS— continued
    Vessels or area where the fixture is installed
    Floors and horizontal surfaces
    Walls
    Wall junctions and joints
    Wall / floor junctions
    Penetrations
    Area outside show
    er
    area
    For concrete and compressed fibrecement sheet flooring
    Water resistant floor of the room.
    N/A
    N/A
    Waterproof wall / floor junctions
    N/A
    For timber floors including
    particleboard,
    Waterproof floor of the
    plywood and other
    room.
    timber based
    flooring materials
    Areas adjacent to baths
    and spas
    For concrete and compressed fibrecement sheet flooring
    Water resistant floor of the room.
    (a) (b)
    Water resistant to a height of not less than 150 mm above the vessel, for the extent of the vessel, where the vessel is within 75 mm of a wall. Water resistant all exposed surfaces below vessel lip.
    Water resistant junctions within 150 mm above a vessel for the extent of the vessel.
    Water resistant wall / floor junctions for the extent of the vessel.
    Waterproof tap and spout penetrations where they occur in horizontal surfaces.
    For timber floors including particleboard, plywood and other timber based flooring materials
    Waterproof floor of the room.
    NCC 2016 Building Code of Australia -Volume Two Page 312
    3.8.1.2
    HEALTH AND AMENITY
    Table 3.8.1.1 WATERPROOFING AND WATER RESISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDING ELEMENTS IN WET AREAS— continued
    Vessels or area where the fixture is installed
    Floors and horizontal surfaces
    Walls
    Wall junctions and joints
    Wall / floor junctions
    Penetrations
    Inserted baths and spas
    (a) Waterproof shelf area, incorporating waterstop under the bath lip. (b) No requirement under bath.
    (a) Waterproof to not less than 150 mm above lip of bath or spa; and (b) No requirement under bath.
    (a) Waterproof junctions within 150 mm above bath or spa; and (b) No requirement under bath.
    N/A
    Waterproof tap and spout penetrations where they occur in horizontal surfaces.
    Note: Where a shower is above a bath or spa, use requirements for shower.
    Other areas
    Laundries and WCs
    Water resistant floor of the room.
    N/A
    N/A
    Waterproof wall / floor junctions.
    Walls adjoining other vessels (e.g. sink, basin or laundry tub)
    N/A
    Water resistant to a height of not less than 150 mm above the vessel, for the extent of the vessel, where the vessel is within 75 mm of a wall.
    Waterproof wall junctions where a vessel is fixed to a wall.
    N/A
    Waterproof tap and spout penetrations where they occur in surfaces required to be waterproof or water resistant.
    Note: N/A means not applicable.
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    Hi Ray

    i'm having a little difficulty following the formatting, but does what you've posted mean that if you are using a preformed shower enclosure -- not just a preformed hob -- the wall behind the enclosure should be waterproofed at the same time the floor below the hob is waterproofed?
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    is it just me, or is there something completely absurd about being required to waterproof the floor (and wall studs?) without first covering the insulation?
    At the very least, for a shower, I would expect a requirement that the waterproofing extend to above the level of the shower head.
    No Ian, the idea is to waterproof the floor and the first 150mm up from the floor which is cut into the wall studs before you put in the shower base. Then the shower base is fixed in place and sealed up along all joints, then the wall sheeting is put on and the bottom of the sheeting slightly over laps the shower base and is sealed again at these junctions, then the sheets are waterproofed along with the joints all round. You then get to tile the shower walls to finish the job. This process try's to make sure the shower base is water tight underneath it and along the sides of the base before you put up the shower wall lining. You'll see when I've posted finished pictures.

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