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    Default Ongoing workcenter fence problem?

    Hello .
    I posted a while ago about the problem with my workcenter fence being out of square vertically. I've been trying to find a way around it for most of the summer but with one thing and another I never found a solution and it's all packed away now for the winter. After a posting on here listing the new Triton distributers in the uk I thought i'd contact the one who seems to be the main triton dealer and see what he had to say.
    I basically said that my fence was not square and it was a major problem in setting the whole thing up and impossible to work on as anything that was tall/thin would need to run against the fence to achieve square and it would never give a correct cut as it was. I floated the idea of a possible replacement fence as you guys have always said how amenable the company was and it still has one and a half years to run on the original guarantee ( worth a shot I thought)
    Anyway, see what you make of the response.

    This is a common query because in the instructions it says "check blade squareness to fence" which i have told aussies about on many occasions. It is proper practice with any table saw to square the blade to the table. The fence is used to align the blade horizontally not vertically.

    The main fence is deliberately not square. It is about 1mm from bottom to top. The reason is to help maintain accuracy on measurement. The wood basically touches the bottom of the fence. This also helps if the wood being cut is slightly out of square the wrong way which would double any error. Also when cutting thinner pieces of wood or pieces thicker than the fence or doing double cuts on even thicker bits it guarentees accuracy. You are always working from the same datum point on the fence. When you square up the saw blade it should always be set square to the table not to the fence. Put the square ruler to the table and the square head to the blade. Beware that many squares you can buy today are not very square. I use a proper hardened steel square which is spot on. If you have the Triton saw in your workcentre it is very easy to get it pefect by using the fine angle trimmer. When squaring any wood on any saw you have to have at least one reasonable edge to start with and this good face must always go table down to start with and use downward pressure on the wood to make sure it stays flat to the table. The fingers on the guard help with this. To test your square for accuracy scribe a full length line with a stanley knife on a decent piece of wood/melamine then turn the square opposite way round and see how it lines up. Once the saw blade is square to the table, set the fence on zero and ease the saw in till the blade very lightly touches the bottom of the fence. I put a piece of paper against the fence and when it touches that i know i am spot on.

    Once you are happy with that set the fence to a size say 100mm and do a test cut if its ok do a final tighten up. Then to test for square, cut a piece of wood good side table down, downward pressure, feed through. Put square on original bottom face and to new cut face to test. Try square both ways to check for variance in square.

    Most people are happy with their saw accuracy however they set it up, but I am a precision engineer by trade used to working to very fine tolerances and like you like mine spot on. There is not a replacement fence, this is a myth, they are all exactly the same and as yet I have never replaced one for this reason. Once you get to grips with what I have explained above you will get to understand the benefits of this and think yes its a good idea. It is just another piece of very fine tuning from George Lewin the inventor. I actually discussed this with him many years ago. He is an absolute perfectionist about everything.

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    It is possible to make this work for typical rips of planks, IF one always remembers to measure from the BOTTOM of the fence to the blade. For tall, thin cuts (e.g., cutting away for a tenon) this cannot work properly. Also a PITA because the wood would always appear to be "off the fence" slightly (from the WWer's perspective) and requires a leap of faith I would not be willing to take.

    This may have been an intentional design feature or not. But I do not think I would care for it.
    Cheers,

    Bob



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    Was this translated from another language?Or was it in English in the first place?
    I would cut my losses and sell it.Buy a propper dedicated saw with cast iron top and all the good bits.Your nerves will love you for it
    Back To Car Building & All The Sawdust.

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    I agree with AUSSIE . I had a Triton for a long time and it did a good job but 100% accuracy from a Triton is not on the cards for me. I have moved on to a proper TS and have never regretted making that move. Don't get me wrong, the Triton is a great starting point for any woodworker although this day and age, you can buy a TS like AUSSIE speaks of for about the same price as the Triton workcentre. I guess portability is the big thing with the Triton and will be popular for that reason alone. Maybe it was just me but I could never get my Saw in the Triton to be spot on but it came pretty close and I made many pieces of furniture with it.
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    Cheers John

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    Another vote for a proper table saw. I had my triton for a year built a couple of simple things with it and it annoyed me all the time. I have upgraded to an MBS300 and its awesome

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    I might have to get the details of the person who advised you, as mine Triton is faulty. I just checked the fence and it does not have the 1 mm diff at the top, it is square and obviously flawed!!!!

    I then checke dteh owners manual, but it didn't mention this "precision design" but did show on page 18 "edge work on thin material" a piece of 140 x 12mm on it's edge against the fence.

    I was going to link to the instruction manual on the new revamped Triton website, but that manual doesn't appear there, oddly enough they have new contact numbers on the site, but the spec sheet still has the old ones!

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    Thanks for the replies all.
    Since I bought my workcenter i've trawled these forums for useful bits of information and examples to get round some of its shortcomings and i've only come across two references to out of square fences: and according to the text both of those got replaced by triton.
    I've never come across any tablesaw with a fence that isn't 90deg to the table. Anything else would make any edge work a nightmare to do. Not to mention making jigs and the like a right pain in the £%4!. And it also makes a bit of a mockery of all those videos that george made. Never did he state this unique design feature. In fact i've never read about it anywhere other than in this reply from triton uk.
    I'll have a go at mailing your head office in OZ and see what they. i may not be able to get a replacement under warranty ...technically a different co. I suppose, but I would like somebody to tell me officially that it either is or isnt faulty. ( and yes, I do wish I have bought a real table saw now! )

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