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    Default Triton Work Centre & After Market Fence system........Can it be done?.........Yep.

    HI All,

    I thought I would give you a little insight into a mod I am working on with to my WC2000 for those that maybe interested. I would love a dedicated TS and envy all that have them in their workshops. For me it comes down to three important factors
    1. Expense
    2. Available Room
    3. Overall amount of yearly use

    I already have the Triton Work Centre and and have invested in many of the add-ons. It is in perfect condition as is all my gear that I own but it does present the usual challenges all work centre owners face when trying to maintain accuracy. I figured that it does what I need but given I am planning a number of projects requiring a lot of varying and precise cuts, I have spent hours upon hours researching fence systems to help ease the burden of trying to maintain a true parallel line with the blade every time I need to adjust the factory fence. This is always a PITA and is time consuming which most would agree. I spent quite some time debating whether to take the plunge in modifying my table to accommodate an after market t square fence or sell everything at next to nothing then buy a real TS. Then I and decided...heck, lets give it a go.

    I don't use the WC in cross cut mode and do like the sliding extension table. I also wanted to maintain the ability to lock in the bevel ripping guide into the WC channels so keeping the use of the locking levers was a must even though in their current location, would not help with locating a new fence rail as close to the front of the WC as possible. The other problem (of many) was that the metal work of the WC is pretty thin so I needed to provide additional strength to take the weight of the fence system as well as maintain the accuracy and strength that was required.

    I always work on the left of the table purely out of habit and design of the WC2000 so I flipped the function of the fence system that I bought as it was marketed at being installed to the right of the blade. This was easy enough but I had to flip the clear window that marks the measurement to the left of the t-square and I purchase thed Kreg Right to left measuring tape as the cheap and nasty one that came with the fence read left to right.

    As I mention, I never use this in cross cut mode as I have the extension table so I reversed the front table support rail so it was outside of the table which allowed me to adjust the 25 x 50mm rectangular tube height which would be drilled, tapped & support the new fence by 2 x 10mm bolts. It must be said that when tightened, this factory rail is really strong and secure when the knobs are tightened so I decided to leave it in place to provide additional support to the weight of the new fence.

    I had to raise the new fence rail up enough to clear the inner extension table rail as I figured I would need to be able to leave the sliding extension table in situ as this gives me support of sheet material when the new fence is set beyond the surface of the WC table top . This requirement unfortunately means that the actual fence now sits about 10mm above the table but I have a fix for this. For now, I have screwed a small section of UHMW plastic to the bottom of the tail end of the fence so it glides smoothly over both the WC table top and sliding extension table. (Note the sliding extension table front aluminium cross member needs to be position as to provide support of the new fence plastic guide. (I just need to figure out how to lock this position in so it doesn't move forward when ripping large material).
    This created a number of initial problems as the work centre was never designed for an after market fence system. The advantage I found was even with only 2 x 10mm bolts fixing the front rail to the workcentre, the sliding table inner rail provided additional support and overall, this seems to be a very sturdy setup.

    On the inside of the table, I bolted the 25 x 50 rectangular tube (that the front fence rail secures too) to a section of 50mm flat bar and the 8mm bolts pass through this flat bar, through the factory slots (that allow the table support rail to be raised or lowered) and into tapped M8 holes in the rear of the rectangular tubing. Providing this vertical strength across the entire width of the work center front panel actually gives amazing strength and I was impressed how solid the setup felt on initial testing.

    With it all bolted in for a dry run, I realized that I couldn't do cross cut sheet material any wider than around 350 if the triton sliding extension table fence was fixed to the trailing edge of the sliding table (closest to the operator or switch box end). The work-around for this is to simply move the sliding table fence to the trailing edge/back of the sliding table (so the material you are cutting is behind the fence not in front) and this now gives me over approx. 900mm of cross cut capacity.

    Another issue (which wasn't picked up initially) is the handle mechanism that locks the new fence into place hits the sliding table inner rail. This isn't a big issue as you can simple lift up the fence and position on the other side of this rail but knowing my luck I would need to rip material right at that spot where the rail is situated. The only solution to this which I haven't done as yet is to cut the inner rail down just after where it supports the new front fence rail so that I can easily slide the fence the full width of the rail unimpeded. I am reluctant to do this but know I don't have any other option. (Hence I am keeping my eyes open for a spare inner rail to put in storage).

    I hope to finish the setup this weekend as I have purchased an off cut of HDPE plastic that will secure to the fence face and close that 10mm gap I mentioned earlier that is between the WC top and the bottom of the fence.
    I will paint the 25 x 50mm rectangular tube in orange paint put the end caps in and install the kreg measuring tape when I have fine tuned everything. The fence system comes with a rear rail to provide additional support and is supposed to stop side ways movement but I have engineered this part as yet. I see that alot of TS come with a fence system that doesn't use a rear rail for this purpose and I studied a few at Carbatec this week.
    This fence seems pretty sturdy but only a few decent test rips will determine whether I need tail end support for the fence.

    Anyhow, I have a few more bits to complete and some tests to do but I thought I would share my progress and ideas and share with all other Triton Workcenter owners to inspire their own ideas. I have learnt a lot from this site and thought I would contribute.

    More pics to come when finished.

    P.S. Apologies but I can't figure out why the photos are not displaying at the correct orientation.
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    This is an interesting build.

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    Well, all finished and with some adjustment, the fence system is extremely accurate and quite solid not having a locking mechanism at the rear of the fence. Unbelievable time saving and peace of mind.
    I installed a polypropylene fence via tapped screws into the factory aluminium fence. I could have gotten away with just the fence on its own but I needed to close up the 10mm gap due to the installed height of the fence front rail. One issue I discovered with my first test cut was that due to this height (as I needed to clear the retained Triton extension table inner-rail) the actual metal angle that secures the fence sits proud of the triton table top by about 1.5 to 2mm (you can see this in one of the photos). A bit of a pain but it didn't seem to affect the cut or ripping action too much. Given that the workcentre was never really designed for this purpose, I am still quite happy with the outcome.

    I just need some additional tweaking as I don't think my blade is in perfect alignment with the crappy factory wood splitter/guard mount and this can be painful. On some longer rips I was noticing that the work piece would pull away from the fence slightly just as it passes through the splitter. I always hated this design but I can't see any way of discarding the factory splitter and fabricating something with a little more adjustment. I'm running the Hitachi C9 circular saw.

    Any how, all done and pretty happy with the results.

    PS. I still can't get the orientation of the pictures correct!
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    I am not jealous of much, but I am of this! Well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perthwoody View Post
    I am not jealous of much, but I am of this! Well done.
    Thanks perthwoody. I appreciate your kind words. It's good to contribute something people may find of some use. The whole upgrade only cost me $295 and a few hours in the shed. These days i would be lucky to get that for my workcentre that, for its age, is in immaculate condition. Then I would still be up for another $1700 for a table saw like the Harvey which I just can't justify at this point but would love! One day when I get a bit more serious.

    Work smarter not harder.


    cheers

    trav

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    One reason for being out of alignment with the splitter is if you switch to a thin kerf blade. You need a blade of at least 2.5mm kerf - if you have thinner than this then one edge of the cut will often hit the splitter.
    And thin kerf blades are becoming dominant. There are however still some wider ones around.
    Very impressed with your build. It would help us if you could put references to particular photos in the text.
    Chris

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    What model fence did you use?

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    Hi Chris (and to anyone else interested).

    I purchased the fence from Timbecon in Coburg and this fence is used on their cheaper Sherwood brand of table saws. They have a heavy duty rip fence on their more expensive Sherwood TS but this is not available as an aftermarket accessory. By chance in my many hours of searching (and researching) getting ideas, I stumbled across the Timbecon link to the one they can supply as an after market accessory. It was on special during March for $229.00 and is now $249. If you google search images of the green "General" brand of table saws in the US, it appears that on a few of their select models (most likely their entry level models) they use the same fence system.
    The link to the Timbecon version is here: https://www.timbecon.com.au/sawing/t...ce-upgrade-kit

    I know Carbatec sell an aftermarket fence but that is double the price and looks very similar to the hevay duty Sherwood equivalent.
    This can be found here: https://www.carbatec.com.au/machiner...10hb-2-cartons

    I was a bit disappointed that the fence was missing some screws and the quantities were wrong but given that I was doing a custom fit this was not an issue even though quality control could have been better. The other thing that I noticed was that brackets that bolted the front fence rail to the TS had 2 x 10mm holes drilled in each of them (4 x supplied in total). One was in the center of the bracket and one was offset. Not sure why but clearly this was done after manufacturing and powder coating as the offset hole exposed the raw steel as if it was drilled out post production. This maybe seen in one of the photos and isn't a big issue, just strange.

    Anyhow, hope this helps.

    Cheers

    Trav.

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    Hi All,

    I have attached some pictures of the affected ripping range due to sliding extension table inner rail fouling the locking lever of the new fence. Hopefully this gives a better indication and I am still yet to decide on a workaround.
    The range affected is approx. 291 to 355mm.
    I have also reattached all the images (as I didn't realise I couldn't edit the originals) with their descriptions, correct orientation and in order of the steps done so it is easier to follow.

    Trav
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    Trav,
    does the sacrificial fence obviate the need for the small UHMW support block?
    Chris

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    Hi Chris,

    I did take note that on a few fence designs that didn't have a rear support rail (this one does but i haven't installed it), that they used a similar concept to help glide the fence across the work surface. You could most definitely rely solely on the fence but I actually found that the small surface area of the UHWM plastic used as a bearing (or guide) provided far less friction based on it's characteristics and small footprint The only issue with this (if you could call it an issue) is that the trailing edge of the sliding extension table needs to be inline with this bearing so there is something to always take the weight of the fence when utilizing the full rip capacity of the new fence.

    If you refer to photo 11, you will see the red 3mm packers where I was trying to work out the correct height of the fence to the table top. That's the position the the sliding extension table needs to be in relation to the guide/runner that is to be installed.

    It seems to glide well.

    Trav

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    Update.

    I thought I would close of this Thread with the last modification. I decided to cut the Maxi Sliding table inner rail to give me full, unimpeded range of the new fence. I toyed with the idea of purchasing same size steel and making a new inner rail as not to affect the factory one. I found one steel supplier that seemed to stock the required size which is 50.8 OD and 47.6 ID but then I would have to somehow mount it to the triton and I couldn't be bothered.
    Instead, I searched the net for steel pipe/tubing joiners and discovered that a lot of stainless steel handrailing seems to be of same or very similar dimensions to the triton galvanised rails. I refined my search and discovered that the Green Shed actually stock SS handrails and SS joiners. The joiners were exactly 50.8mm OD with a wall thickness of 1.6mm and they were $10 each.

    I purchased one and test fitted it to the triton rail. It appeared to be an extremely tight fit but it looked like it would work so I marked up and committed to the cut. I filed off the burrs and with a mallet and timber block, I persuaded the joiner into the off cut. It is a perfect fit but I am thinking it will never come out so for now I have put the offcut away until the day where I decide to sell the whole lot and I will rejoin the two sections back together should that be required. If I had the right machinery for metal work, I would try and shave down the male part of the joiner so it slides in and out a little easier to the triton rail but at least I know it will be a very strong fit as it is. I thought I was going to have to screw/bolt/pop rivet the two cut sections to the joiner but there is actually no need. Those out there that have better metal working skills could even look at maybe a threaded solution but this works very well.

    Hope everyone has enjoyed this build.

    Cheers


    Trav
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