Thread: 45/55 cutters in other planes

Hi Craig

The beading blades should fit the 50 series planes as well

The rounding blades are restricted to the 55 as they need the moving skate. There are some rounding attachments for the 45 but they are not common.
You might be able to use the rounding blades in the 45- 50 planes by moving them down incrementally- like how one can create a groove with a router, but I have no seen this done.

Regards

As MartinCH said the hollow and round cutters, Stanley numbers 43, 44, 45, 47 and 53, 54, 55, 57
will fit the hollow and round special bases for the Stanley 45 or Record 405.
Bases sometimes appear for sale without the cutter so there may be some interest.

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The plough cutters will fit any plane using a notch on the rhs side viewed from behind the plane.


Stanley 13-050, Record 044C, 045C and 050C
Stanley 45, Record 405 and Stanley 55
Some Veritas blades have a similar notch

"The Veritas Combination Plane is supplied with a 1/4” wide, A2 tool steel grooving blade, and a selection of blade profiles is available separately. It will accept the right-hand (and unhanded) blades available with the Veritas Small Plow Plane, as well as the blades used with the Stanley #45 and most of those used with the Stanley#55."
Above is excerpt from 05P5901-brochure.pdf(veritastools.com)


An exception to this is the Lewin. Medium and large cutters are probably compatible. Smaller Lewin sizes have a wider top, therefore 45/55 small plough cutters won’t work.


Stanley 13-050 blades are a bit shorter than the older 405/45/55 blades but there should be enough adjustment capacity to let them work. Certainly my 13-050 can use my 405 and 55 plough cutters and vice versa.


Beads and flutes cutter profiles differ slightly from the 13-050 to the 45/405 because of the difference in bed angle 45 v 50 degrees.

Regards

Jim

wow, thanks for that comprehensive reply Jim
will go away and digest it.

Originally Posted by MartinCH

Hi Craig

The beading blades should fit the 50 series planes as well

The rounding blades are restricted to the 55 as they need the moving skate. There are some rounding attachments for the 45 but they are not common.
You might be able to use the rounding blades in the 45- 50 planes by moving them down incrementally- like how one can create a groove with a router, but I have no seen this done.

Regards

thanks for replying Martin

One minor clarification of Jim comprehensive replay - the wider blades will struggle without the second support of an outside skate. The Veritas plough plane would also take them and there is a second skate available. What you don't get with veritas small plough compared to combination is knickers and fine adjustment for the fence.

Digressing - I gave a record 50c and I could not figure out how to fit narrow blades. Was "forced" to actually read manual dammit that like cardinal rule - don't read the manual. Anyway to install the tiny blades you install the second skate upside down. It works.

While I am yabbering about special blades, Veritas makes a round that centred on the first skate- Stanley 55 not required. Does anyone know if those blades fit a 45,50, 50C?

Originally Posted by MartinCH

One minor clarification of Jim comprehensive replay - the wider blades will struggle without the second support of an outside skate. The Veritas plough plane would also take them and there is a second skate available. What you don't get with veritas small plough compared to combination is knickers and fine adjustment for the fence.

Digressing - I gave a record 50c and I could not figure out how to fit narrow blades. Was "forced" to actually read manual dammit that like cardinal rule - don't read the manual. Anyway to install the tiny blades you install the second skate upside down. It works.

While I am yabbering about special blades, Veritas makes a round that centred on the first skate- Stanley 55 not required. Does anyone know if those blades fit a 45,50, 50C?

The 50 has the sliding section with the second skate that will support wider cutters. Thinner cutters are accommodated with a smaller bolt that replaces the threaded rod that connects the plane body with the sliding section, and you don't use the sliding section. Blades intended for Stanley 45 or 55 (not sure about Record equivalents) do *not* fit the Stanley 50 as it as a peculiar cutter adjustment mechanism that uses a lever and slots in the back of the cutters, rather than the notch and thread used in the other planes. The adjustment on 50s is crude and not easy to adjust on the fly.

The 45 can accommodate a wide range of cutters including Stanley 55 cutters. Although as others have said rounds require an additional skate - Wood by Wright (not popular with some on this forum) did a video on it recently. I am not sure if the trick of lowering the cutter would work but the 45 is the most practical (non-55) plane to do it. In fact I would love it to work as I use scratch stock to make a cove which I'd love to have cut with my 45 and round cutter, given the rest of the moulding was shaped with the 45.

Hi Anthony

The upside down sliding skate is for the Record 50c- it in the manual but I did not intuit the concept. I had wondered about the purpose of one of the holes in the body.


My understanding is it is possible at least shorter 45/55 blades on 50, but you do lose the lever adjustment capability.

Still curious if Veritas fluting blades (rounding) work on 45's. As the picture shows, veritas has modified blade to centre on the first skate.

05P59-16-3-8-inch-fluting-blade.jpg

Regards

Originally Posted by AnthonySeiver

The 45 can accommodate a wide range of cutters including Stanley 55 cutters. Although as others have said rounds require an additional skate - Wood by Wright (not popular with some on this forum) did a video on it recently. I am not sure if the trick of lowering the cutter would work but the 45 is the most practical (non-55) plane to do it. In fact I would love it to work as I use scratch stock to make a cove which I'd love to have cut with my 45 and round cutter, given the rest of the moulding was shaped with the 45.

I have a thread on this forum about making a wooden base for my 405. Not difficult to do since the metal plane body supports the cutter, making a wooden base for the 45/405 is less difficult than making a moulding plane where the body has to provide a good bed support for the blade.
Regards
Jim

Originally Posted by MartinCH

Hi Anthony

Still curious if Veritas fluting blades (rounding) work on 45's. As the picture shows, veritas has modified blade to centre on the first skate.

05P59-16-3-8-inch-fluting-blade.jpg

Regards

Both the Record 405 and Stanley 13-050 flutes look like this.

combis_oct18_sml_circle.jpg
The blades circled are flutes for the 13-050 at the top and Ovolo and flutes for the Record 405 at the bottom. The Record 405 is pretty much an exact clone of the Stanley 45.
Regards

Jim

The really narrow fluting cutters don't have a notch and center on the first skate because they're skinny enough. You use the adjusting pin to push them down; your fingers to retract them.

I've used them several times, and they work way, way better than you would expect them to. A 1/4" fluting cutter is just right for cutting the drip groove on a windowsill.

Originally Posted by MartinCH

Hi Anthony

The upside down sliding skate is for the Record 50c- it in the manual but I did not intuit the concept. I had wondered about the purpose of one of the holes in the body.


My understanding is it is possible at least shorter 45/55 blades on 50, but you do lose the lever adjustment capability.

Still curious if Veritas fluting blades (rounding) work on 45's. As the picture shows, veritas has modified blade to centre on the first skate.

05P59-16-3-8-inch-fluting-blade.jpg

Regards

Losing the lever adjustment on the 50 when using 45 cutters wouldn't be an issue as it is so crude anyway. To be honest I have never interchanged a 45 cutter and 50 body or visa versa because I have never seen the need.

I am now keen to see if the Veritas fluting blades work on the 45 (maybe even the 50).

Thanks Jim and Bill - it had got my head that rounds and ovolo cutter required a 55. I blame the YouTube....

Regards

Martin

Well that generated a lot of discussion.
Thanks for all the input.
So after all that and bingeing a bunch of youtubes I dont have any immediate use for my little box of cutters.
They will have to wait until I find a suitable plane.
No rush.
I do now have to go searching for posts about Wood by Wright. He is one of my favourites.
I need to find out why he isnt popular with some people.

Originally Posted by forunna

Well that generated a lot of discussion.
...
I do now have to go searching for posts about Wood by Wright. He is one of my favourites.
I need to find out why he isnt popular with some people.

I like him too. From what I can tell reading between the lines of other people's posts, he is not totally honest about his connections to sponsors which makes his tool and product reviews far less than "independent". They have also questioned his test methodologies and understanding of metallurgy (in the context of his plane iron and chisel testing).

What is turning me off him is that much of his content of late is just things he has done previously. Although I think that is because of the way the You-Tube algorithm rewards "tool review" videos over long term projects. But that is the same for almost all the content makers I follow.