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    Many moons later, I got three irons in the mail yesterday. I have a disorganized mind today, so we'll go with bullet points:

    The irons are two types:
    * one painted green iron that's about a tenth of an inch thick (that's the claim, I think it's actually less, but that's OK with me) with the HSS bit brazed on. $12 US with shipping on aliexpress
    *two 3mm thick, one solid piece (not paint on them). Same seller on aliexpress, the iron is actually cheaper than the brazed iron. $10 or $11 or something of that sort.

    Both types of irons are 51mm.

    I prepared one of the solid irons and also the painted iron that's brazed (10 minutes combined for both - my process is probably less laborious than most):

    The painted-green brazed iron:
    • had lacquer on the blade, but prepared relatively easily otherwise. Maybe wouldn't to a beginner as it's not optically flat. I only work the back of an iron enough to get a clear eighth or so so that the cap iron is bedded well.
    • Sandpaper lap removed the lacquer and the feel after the lacquer is gone suggests it's HSS (which it claims to be) and relatively hard (claim is 61-63).
    • Finished prepping the iron and honed an initial edge on it with a 1k diamond hone and a japanese suita - total time of five minutes (the finish stone isn't important. I prefer natural stones, but it's HSS - I'm sure it'll get along with any kind of finish stone that will polish it).
    • Iron works well. Durability and quality of the edge in use during the dullness cycle to be determined this weekend, but it takes a fine edge quickly. I didn't try, but I'm sure it would grind by hand quickly on a norton crystolon stone, and at the same time, be a real pain with the medium and slightly coarser waterstones that some of the retailers suggest people use to work the primary bevel (this is bad advce).


    The iron that wasn't painted (3mm thick):
    • flatter than the green one, prepared relatively easily. The milling marks on them show that the whole iron was flattened on some kind of power machine, and the marks look prominent, but they're not that deep. No lacquer (good!).
    • the slot is a tiny amount too narrow for the stanley adjuster, so I will try it later on an LN bronze 4 (suspect the same will be true there, and i will need to perform the relatively arduous task of widening the slot of a hardened HSS iron with a diamond card. Yuck)
    • The iron is too thick for a stanley cap iron screw. You can only just get the screw to grab the cap, but it's a task - not practical. Again, points to the LN 4 as a landing point.
    • Durability also to be determined, but the stones suggest the iron is also HSS as claimed and relatively hard


    I don't love the A2 iron in the LN smoother i have. It's a good iron, but it doesn't tolerate the washita whereas HSS generally does. I really have no need for any of the irons above, but perhaps the ability to ditch the LN iron for one that doesn't have the same sharpening peculiarities on a washita stone is a blessing in disguise.

    I think the non-painted iron is thick enough that it could actually be used in an infill build (there are some cosmetic hurdles there, but they could be overcome).

    I doubt i'll have the time to do this any time soon, but perhaps at some point in the future, I'll be able to stroke test the HSS iron vs. LN's A2 and see if it adds any durability.

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    Quick comment to update, I was able to widen the slot on the non-painted iron last night with a chinese double cut file. Not sure what that suggests, it was a bit hard on the file, but hopefully the fact that it's fileable at all either indicates that the file is really hard and the iron is perhaps 58 hardness or something, or that the iron isn't fully hardened at the slot and after.

    Nonetheless, the usable part of the iron is too long to work perfectly on a LN plane - 3/16th or so of iron would need to be ground off to be able to get the slot over the screw that retains the lever cap on the frog. I may do that. For now, there's just enough gap to actually take that screw out, lay the iron on the frog, and then put the screw back in (as in, enough room for the threaded area on the screw, but not enough for the larger diameter of the screw head).

    I only got to use the iron on pine and cherry last night, but it seems to hold up reasonably well. I like the green one better, though. It's less accurately made, but seems a bit harder.

    It seems reasonable that I will need to stroke test the clean iron vs. the LN A2 iron, as if it's fileable, I doubt it will outlast the LN A2 iron. Not sure about the green one - I used that quite a bit last night, too. Neither have been resharpened, but none of my irons would've needed it working in the wood that I was working last night.

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    I am curious to find out how the LN irons hold up against these HSS irons... I suppose one interesting thing is that these Chinese HSS irons are a domestic product that they apparently make for use there at home.... They sure don't export them here....

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    I'm sure they would if they had a buyer - I'll see if I can track them down on alibaba. I partially ground the iron back tonight to see if I could get a sense of how hard it was, as well as to get the amount below the slot down to a level that would allow an opening big enough to get the iron on and off of the plane without having to remove the lever cap screw.

    I think the clear one is a bit soft, but that's just my guess so far. that doesn't mean it won't hold up well, though - it may fail very uniformly. We'll see - hopefully this weekend. I think the green one is a dandy (of my two so far, it's definitely a little bit harder), but it's more suitable for a stanley plane given its thickness is about the same as stock stanley thickness.

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    I see them on alibaba with a minimum order of 180 pieces (but they're not labeled right, so I don't know which listings are for 44, 48 or 51mm).

    All of them say that the price will be somewhere between $0.1 and $5 per blade (nice range!!). that listing doesn't say that the green one is hss, but who knows (i'm not going to burn mine to find out). That's the one actually specified 61-63 rc. there's no way the unpainted blade is that hard. I suspect mid-upper 50s. I burned one of the two intentionally tonight grinding, so we'll see how it holds up. If it's HSS, it'll pretty much feel the same, as I've turned the muji irons orange on a grinder before and they are still hard when they cool.

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