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9th March 2016, 09:56 AM #136Hewer of wood
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Thanks Paul. Yeah, a US nickname is 'back stabber'.
Arthur, I gave it a 5 minute outing and my aim was all over the place. The ploughing started before the blue moon. Another 2" on the handle might be better.
As for its performance, well there's a lot of penetration of the acute bit for a 3 lb head.
The head moved a smidgen. Will have to watch that. The eye only has a 2mm splay in each dimension.
Ironic - I have to go scrounging for test limbs now.Cheers, Ern
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23rd March 2016, 08:44 AM #137
I thought these old advertisements might be of some interest to you mad (keen) axemen. I found them while trawling through Ebay.
From 1930:
Kelly Axe.jpgKelly Axe 2.jpgKelly miners axe.jpgKelley axe 4.jpg
From 1918
Bay State Axe.jpgBay State Axe 2.jpg
Some hammers and wedges from 1930
Bay State Hammers.jpg
and hatchets from 1930 on the left and two from 1918 on the right:
Bay state hatchet.jpgBay state hatchets 1918 3.jpgBay state hatchets 1918.jpg
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23rd March 2016, 09:02 AM #138Hewer of wood
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Very interesting stuff. Thanks Paul.
I see that Kelly was hardening some of their polls. Damn good idea, given the inevitable 'off label' use they'd get.
It's still possible to get octagonal replacement handles in the US. Never used one. Wondering ....Cheers, Ern
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30th March 2016, 11:37 PM #139
Just in case any of you are one bit short of an axe, this seller has about fifty coming up for sale:
RARE Mann Lewistown PA Embossed Knotklipper Axe Warranted 2 Bit AX Collectible | eBay
This was the one that drew my attention. It might be a beast:
KnotKlipper-axe.jpg
Allegedly 12" across.
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31st March 2016, 05:33 AM #140Hewer of wood
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A sump oil special. And enough steel left for a second career.
I'm not collecting (if I say it often enough it might work) but there is one model that'd be good to try.Cheers, Ern
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31st March 2016, 09:26 PM #141Hewer of wood
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In Kyneton today, killing time while the bike was being serviced, I wandered into Rundell and Rundell - furniture and other craft. There was a sensational double Windsor chair out of blackwood from the Grampians, made by the shop owner. Well, also a good selection of Gransfors Bruks that got a close inspection. Very nice finish all round. If they'd had one of their Appalachian axes I would've returned home like a Viking invading. They're no longer made but old new stock still turns up from time to time. The American Felling Axe was there and a well crafted tool but a little heavy.
Ironic isn't it, a Scandi brand like this is surviving by selling American pattern axes around the world as prices that an ordinary user couldn't afford.Cheers, Ern
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31st March 2016, 10:23 PM #142GOLD MEMBER
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A chair like this?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BB8nkuIK...dellandrundell
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31st March 2016, 10:29 PM #143Hewer of wood
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Yeah hiroller, very close, maybe even the one. By Glenn Rundell. He runs classes in making windsor chairs and is heavily involved in the Lost Trades weekends in Kyneton. Also salvages, dries and mills craft timbers I believe.
Cheers, Ern
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7th April 2016, 08:57 PM #144Hewer of wood
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I ran some rough tests today, working on the assumption that axe performance is a product of the interaction of technique, tool and timber. Keep two constant (kind of) and things may be said about the tool.
This was prompted by an interest in how various grinds or bit shapes go on Aussie hardwood.
Just 5 minutes each on the same lump of yewkie kindly donated by Quercus who thinks it's prob Southern Mahogany.
GB American Felling Axe.jpg
Gransfors Bruk American Felling Axe. Various weights are quoted - maybe 3.3 lbs. It's 5.1 in total. Convex grind to 10 mm behind the edge where it's 15 degrees included angle. Flat cheeks for 50 mm from there running towards the poll.
Hultafors Agdor 4 lb head. Flat bevels at 20 degrees with a steeper micro-bevel blended in. Maybe this is called a chisel grind with rolled edge. Flat cheeks.
Kelly Dandenong as pictured earlier in this thread. 4.5 lbs. High centre line, 20 degree flat grind, distinct micro-bevels.
So, the GB went gangbusters, at least compared with how my other axes have done on dry Silky Oak. Good penetration and chip ejection. There were some glancing blows off the right side (left in the pic) but that's my technique failing. It started to stick down the bottom.
Agdor: not quite as much penetration as the GB but perhaps better chip ejection and less sticking.
Kelly: penetration wasn't as good and chip ejection wasn't as efficient as the other two. Not much sticking but it didn't get down as deep.
Accuracy was pretty good with the GB and Kelly, less good with the Agdor - could be put down to the operator tiring or a head that's 20mm longer than the others.
The edges at the end, as per the nail catching test:
GB: no catching
Agdor: some
Kelly: almost some
Edit: I hadn't done a nail test on the GB beforehand, assuming it was sharp. Everyone says theirs was but maybe this one wasn't.Cheers, Ern
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11th April 2016, 02:59 PM #145Hewer of wood
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The Kelly double-bit rehab project is finished. Sometimes things flow smoothly, sometimes ....
Turns out the replacement hafts got from the US were 30" and that's too short. The only locally available candidate is one made by Council Tools for their own axe; it's 36" and it has a slimmer shaft than House Handles that feels good. It's a bit short in the long axis of the eye and making that up with the wedge wasn't entirely successful - the wedge cracked while being tapped in and the grain runs the wrong way
The eye is ribbed which made fitting difficult. There's reduced scope for fit and fiddle. Kelly Works got a patent for ribbed eyes in 1963 so that dates the axe in part.Cheers, Ern
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13th April 2016, 11:44 AM #146Hewer of wood
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Holding an axe to work on can be awkward. This idea is pinched from Wranglerstar on Youtube, but using a sash clamp.
Sash clamp and axe.jpgCheers, Ern
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25th April 2016, 09:58 PM #147Senior Member
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Quite a few axes just listed on ebay(uk). Mostly named with some uncommon ones there.
Not my axes I hasten to add......
MarkWhat you say & what people hear are not always the same thing.
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7th May 2016, 06:48 AM #149Hewer of wood
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Thanks for posting planemaker.
The Kelly looks in good shape.Cheers, Ern
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23rd May 2016, 09:30 AM #150Hewer of wood
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The oldest known axes, hafted and ground edge, are Australian. As much as 49,000 years.
World's oldest known ground-edge stone axe fragments found in Western Australia - Science News - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Haft fixing was aided by means of a resin extracted from spinifex (First Contacts).Cheers, Ern
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