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3rd January 2012, 03:50 PM #1
Diamond Lapping Film
I know Ern is likely to have an orgasm when tries out this stuff ...
This is a copy of a post I have just made in reply to a query over at WoodCentral. No one here has yet noticed an addition on Lee Valley?
Lee Valley Tools - Important Announcement
I helped evaluate these films, working through a wad of different grits to narrow down the micron progression, and trying to get a fix on their longevity.
Keep in mind that these should not be considered a replacement of oil/waterstones in a permanent set up, but are ideal for working with PM steels or as part of a travelling kit.
That said, the films are amazing in their ability to hone steel, and their longevity. I have some that have been through a few hundred cycles (per piece) - I lost track of the number. Just be careful that you do not inadvertantly slice the film (with a rough edge). I use a little camilla oil for a lubricant. This works very well.
I pushed for the current sizing. Firstly, it is available in this sizing from the manufacturer I believe, which makes it cheaper I imagine. Secondly, I had the idea that one could (as I have) stuck all meshes on one 12" x 6" substratum (glass or whatever), which makes it convenient to store and use. A 6"x3" mesh is large enough for either freehanding or a guide (note: these meshes act like diamond plates - there is no cross contamination). The mesh requires very little "movement" to do its job. I did not experience an issue with dubbing. The mesh is unlike sandpaper - it is very flat and on a hard backing. Be sure that you clean the substratum well - dust below will create a bump, which will end up being sliced.
The meshes chosen (15/3/.5/.1u) allow for the least extra wear on each successive mesh ... in other words, the most efficient use of each mesh. You could forgo the 0.1u if you wish, but I must say that the addition of this takes the sharpening level to something well beyond "scary" ... frightening sharp.
In summary, these meshes are a must-try. Prepare to be amazed. You may not stop smiling!
Regards from Perth
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3rd January 2012, 04:56 PM #2New Member
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Waiting for mine to arrive.
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3rd January 2012, 05:29 PM #3
Hi Derek - is that the link you meant to put up? It goes to the free shipping, which apparently doesn't apply here (but we might get a discount). Anyway the shipping on those would surely be Greek peanuts. The lapping film is at this link. Bloody hell, it's cheap enough for diamond! In my recent cyber-journeys I came across the Vallorbe Diamond foils (100x50mm or 4x2"), which would be near on ten times the price for less than half the surface area. The foil may make them a little more durable, but not 10x (in fact 20x given the area ratio)!
What I was looking for was something that could be stuck to a shop made paddle (say brass) for sharpening High-alloy Forstners etc. Stick two different grits to the two sides and away you go.
These look perfect and singularly appropriate timing my man! Cut a strip off the side for the paddles and you still have enough for 55-60mm blade in a jig. Gotta love killing two birds with one diamond.
Cheers, Brett
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3rd January 2012, 06:05 PM #4
Hi Brett
Whenever Lee Valley have a special on, the Special screen comes up first. There is a "next" button to click that will take you to the page I linked with.
I got your PM and will reply later.
Regards from Perth
DerekVisit www.inthewoodshop.com for tutorials on constructing handtools, handtool reviews, and my trials and tribulations with furniture builds.
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3rd January 2012, 06:15 PM #5
The meshes chosen (15/3/.5/.1u) allow for the least extra wear on each successive mesh ... in other words, the most efficient use of each mesh. You could forgo the 0.1u if you wish, but I must say that the addition of this takes the sharpening level to something well beyond "scary" ... frightening sharp.
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3rd January 2012, 06:54 PM #6Hewer of wood
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Thanks Derek. I'm up for an orgasm anytime ;-)
The stuff's cheap; that's a plus. Film is good for carving and turning tools.
But as a chronic rehabber, or should that be a rehab chronic, 15 mu is too fine for the heavy lifting. OK, there are other options but too few quality ones ATM. There are however a number of good options at the 'polishing' end of the continuum.
As for life, again my focus is on the heavy lifting, and the first stage of lapping a chisel will take maybe 2000 strokes on a DMT coarse diamond plate (45 micron).
We need a test cp the 3M Micro-finishing abrasive films of the same grits; they're AlOx and Cr Oxide if memory serves.Cheers, Ern
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3rd January 2012, 07:49 PM #7But as a chronic rehabber, or should that be a rehab chronic, 15 mu is too fine for the heavy lifting.
The film is not intended for grinding-type work. It is purely for sharpening ... or more accurately, re-honing a dull edge.
I raised the same issues about a high micron mesh, say about 40 (which is what I use). In the end we agreed that honing was the target. Use diamond paste for grinding - that is one of the most efficient methods.
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3rd January 2012, 09:01 PM #8Hewer of wood
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Sure. I understood that.
My one experience with coarse diamond paste wasn't, er, orgasmic. eBay stuff. Prob. waved over a DMT stone before being labelled.Cheers, Ern
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Good for lapping?
Thanks Derek,
Good idea for lapping chisels and plane irons?
I get tired of changing sandpapers on the float glass.
Cheers,
Mark
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As rsser said, they aren't really in a particularly big grit range, so probably wouldn't be ideal for lapping? At least not for old irons in need of serious rehab.
Also I'm not sure how much I like diamonds for lapping. I bought a DMT X Course diamond plate for $80 a few days ago and have been pretty unimpressed. (Anybody interested in taking it off my hands?).
A Sigma #120 from Stu cuts about the same speed - perhaps a wee bit quicker - and costs $30 shipped. It feels a heck of a lot nicer to use than the diamond plate, and will suffer whatever abuse you throw at it. The DMT is comparatively delicate.
Still more expensive than the diamond films in question here, but would last far longer, by my estimation.
I had only bad results using WD sandpaper on glass. I used Norton sandpaper, I think, from the Sandpaper Man. Honestly, it just makes work.Cheers,
Eddie
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