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    This is what the same area on the saw I have that probably was made before yours looks like on the medallion side.




    And on the nut side.



    The medallion side bright lines seem to be more prominent and or wider than corresponding nut side areas on my saws that show the feature. Maybe the medallion side gets less rust inducing finger goop.

    This is what the 'inch worm' stamp looks like, a flattened capital omega or an inch-worm.

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    Here are the closeups.

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    The marked feature



    makes me think that the handle is a replacement, though it is well executed. It looks like beech, but it can be difficult to say with saws that are 160+ years old because a worn but relatively clean apple handle can also look a lot like beech.
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    There is no question another handle covered the section of blade shown in the red arrows. To Rob's earlier point, if any one of these things were present by themselves, you might conclude this is a one off. However, when all of them are taken together, you just can't come to that conclusion if you are being objective.

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    The most obvious element regarding an original handle of that period ... with the stamped inchworm "logo" and the tiny split-nut shafts ... is that the handles had the same pronounced "beak" in the grip that you can see in your two photos Rob.

    ... also the squarish drop in the handle from the topline to the grip.

    Also regarding the stamp ... there could possibly be a model number there that was been missed. The Disston bit was stamped before hardening, but the numbers were stamped after and can be indented very very lightly and difficult to catch sometimes ... even when you just saw the damn thing five minutes ago.

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    The shape and proportioning of Schuld's handle is very similar to this 1850's era No.8 as described here (Online Reference of Disston Saws -- No. 8 Handsaws).

    1850's No 8.JPG

    The flattened and rounded feature of the bottom rail or loop of the handle looks a lot like the type to be found on George Bishop saws.

    Bishop handles bottom detail.JPG

    The handle on the left is a backsaw and on the right is a handsaw.

    I'd be surprised if Schuld's saw is wearing a Bishop transplant because the screw holes appear to match and Bishop handles are more slightly proportioned than are Disston handles for saws of comparable size. The lack of any kind of medallion recess, even though medallion-less (apparently) Bishops have been sighted, also weighs against a swap as the majority have medallions. In balance, think it's a replacement made in the period style.
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    The fit of the nuts into the wood is really good, but personally I'd say there's significant differences between that one and the "Spear & Jackson-ish 1850-ish" look of the ones you have and the disstonian one.

    It's likely to be pre-1870/80-ish given the split-nuts 'tho. I just don't think it's got the same degree of stylish work in it as the (I suggest) earlier ones.

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    The finger hole shape is similar to Bishop and Peace

    bishop and peace.JPG

    but I'd be surprised if the screw holes an early Bishop handle would register with the holes in an early Disston Blade.

    The rounding of the upper rear corner of the blade could have been done to prevent splitting the handle as I have seen in a number of saws of this design. Or maybe the owner rounded off the corner before fitting his newly made Bishop style handle.

    Another possibility that hasn't been raised here is that the existing handle may be a modification of the original such as this D8 done by Stewie a while back D8 panel saw refurbishment.. Many of us refurbish tools and it's probable that earlier generations did likewise.

    I still think that the handle on Schuld's saw is a replacement that was inspired by Bishop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmcgee View Post
    The fit of the nuts into the wood is really good, but personally I'd say there's significant differences between that one and the "Spear & Jackson-ish 1850-ish" look of the ones you have and the disstonian one.

    It's likely to be pre-1870/80-ish given the split-nuts 'tho. I just don't think it's got the same degree of stylish work in it as the (I suggest) earlier ones.

    Cheers,
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    From the Disston 1876 catalog. The saw on the right is a No. 7.



    Ever seen an iron split nut? What is meant by 'raised' screw?

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