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6th October 2014, 08:47 PM #76
Silent C
I think we (you) are getting into the realms of diminishing returns. The cheapest tools available may well be disappointing to put it mildly, but the super expensive tools may well be unnecessary. Somewhere in the middle is an optimum for value for money.
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6th October 2014, 08:55 PM #77
Brett
He was once asked whether he thought he was a good actor. He replied that he thought that he did what he did well. Needless to say in sidestepping the question he set himself up for a political career. He is probably a better actor than he may seem and as you say he has an excellent reputation as a director.
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6th October 2014, 09:13 PM #78
Aye, there is always going to be the law of diminishing returns. A plane worth $1000 does not automatically work 10x as well as one costing $100.
At the end of the day you have to ask yourself whether the tool you seek is to be used as tool alone, whether you want a marriage, a love affair or a business contract. I think we approach each with a different expectation in regard to costs and performance
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DerekVisit www.inthewoodshop.com for tutorials on constructing handtools, handtool reviews, and my trials and tribulations with furniture builds.
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6th October 2014, 09:17 PM #79
Ratbag
Did it look like this?
Lee valley plane.jpg
If it did, I understand completely. A marketing marvel. Sexy, racy and absolutely desireable. The embodiment of feminine attraction .
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PaulBushmiller;
"Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely!"
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6th October 2014, 09:38 PM #80
One thing for sure is that with out tools you cannot make anything. When buying a tool I don't need to ask wether I'm going to marry it or set up a business contract with it however I'm passionate about my tools that allow me the apply my craft. Acquire what you need to accomplish what you want to make.
Frank.
In trying to learn a little about everything,
you become masters of nothing.
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6th October 2014, 09:43 PM #81SENIOR MEMBER
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Yes it was the shiney one. The saucy, flirtatious little tart that she is....
But everyone knew she wasn't for me. The salesman knew - that's why he wouldn't let me near her. I knew, that's why I didn't ask how much for a "quickie".... fondle that is.
I think even SHE knew. She just enjoyed the attentions of a tool pervert, safe in the knowledge a long term relationship was quite out of the question.
As I said before: out of my league.Sycophant to nobody!
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6th October 2014, 09:44 PM #82
Ratbag
Thank you for this most engaging thread.
Truly there are many levels on which to discuss. I think the comparison between revered old tools and expensive new tools is a particularly relevant issue. The fact is that quality lasts and it enables people with differing budgets to participate in their hobby at a comfortable level.
If it provides enjoyment it doesn't matter what it costs providing you can afford it.
Justification is a strange beast. For years I followed that maxim. If I was embarking on a project and it needed a specific tool (other than me that is ) I bought it: The justification was that it was saving me money over engaging somebody else to do the job.
Whilst I still have that underlining philosophy I have begun to "enjoy" using woodworking tools that have a degree of tactility to them. It is in itself a therapy. In fact I have recently joined the collector ranks.
Is it an obsession? No, I can stop any time I want. Oh allright:Probably an obsession. However, my handsaws are all destined to be users, albeit not very often because of the numbers. There is no place for a handsaw I don't intend to use.
I often use analogies and a particular favourite is the automobile. There are old classics that have lasted and appear highly desireable, but they have largely been superseded in their usefulness by the modern car. Do the old cars do the same job? Yes.
Do they do it as well? Sometimes but not always. Handtools in some ways are more simple and less likely to break down and the classics can be very desirable.
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PaulBushmiller;
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6th October 2014, 10:13 PM #83SENIOR MEMBER
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I think I'm destined to soldier on with my old but useful, worn but familiar tools.
At least I can console myself safe in the knowledge that all that bling, all the superior design and embodied performance would be wasted on my meagre abilities.Sycophant to nobody!
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6th October 2014, 10:26 PM #84
Nothing is wasted if you enjoy it.
Hugh
Enough is enough, more than enough is too much.
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6th October 2014, 10:38 PM #85
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6th October 2014, 11:11 PM #86
so priorities are….
Expensive tools first for selfish feel good reasons…...then ….. Helping say refugees and children.
No offence to the starter of the thread but I think the threads title should be…….
How much would you pay for these types of hand tools ?
handsaws
chisels
hammers
etc
Then there wouldn't be confusion and debate due to the hugely differing interpretations of
'Need'….and ….'expensive'
because to me, like most Australians, our needs are well taken care of. Most of our concerns are wants. So many wants that too many of them are confused as needs.
And Ray, I think its too assuming that the orangutang is making a mess of his job. How well he does depends on what exactly he's up to.
And Ray, just quietly, I'm a little unimpressed that your making fun of a gentleman behind his back. Whatever has he done to you ?
Personally, I'm quite impressed with anyone that can grip wood with there foot.
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6th October 2014, 11:43 PM #87
Japanese woodworkers do it all the time... mind you, they have special shoes... or is it special feet?
And yes, I think that we often buy expensive tools to feel better about our work and ourselves.. making your own tools is even better...
I'll never be able to afford a Karl Holtey plane, but I won't critisise someone who does and who can afford it. Their money their choice.
Ray
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6th October 2014, 11:48 PM #88
JD
I guess that extravagance can be levelled at anybody in the affluent Western world. It is not just our woodworking tools, it is our whole way of life. We are indulgent, wasteful and, as far as the impoverished are concerned, on a different planet.
Just the fact that we are conversing here on the forums means at the very least we have access to electricity, have a computer and the wherewith all to run these devices. Where does charity begin? Where does extravagance end? I don't know.
One thing I do know is that if you are impressed with somebody who can grip wood (besides Clyde's compatriot) with his foot, this bloke is going to have your undying admiration. I honestly don't think I can add any comment to his humility, perseverance, skill and his tool kit.
http://vimeo.com/23095780
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PaulBushmiller;
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6th October 2014, 11:59 PM #89Junior Senior Member
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Wow. Thanks for posting that movie Paul.
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7th October 2014, 09:59 AM #90
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