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    Quote Originally Posted by IanW View Post
    I don't think Matt's got the patience or time to take it that far, Ian - he'd have to work on the back of the blade as well, if he wanted to get some Van der Waal forces going!

    But you raised a good point - how much does friction with the frog affect ease of adjustment with Bailey planes? I've got 5 of the darn things, and they vary enormously. My favourite is just perfect (perhaps helped by the fact it gets used most?), one seems a bit too sloppy and the others are a bit tight. One was way too tight and it took me a while to figure out why. It had a mismatched cap iron, which meant the adjuster was too far back at the point where the blade was cutting, and by that point the cam is binding in the slot in the cap iron. I made a new cap iron, with the cam slot in the "right" place and it is now acceptable, but still a bit tight. The blade beds vary on each - two are the old flat type like the one Matt is working on, the others are later models with the multiple depressions so that when machined off, they only have narrow ridges that contact the blade back. You might reason that less metal-to metal contact should equal easier sliding, but if there is any effect, it seems to be swamped by other factors on the planes I own, because there is no consistency - the tightest and the easiest to adjust both have the completely flat beds....

    Cheers,
    I wasn't thinking of Van der Waal (to tell the truth I had forgotten about that effect), I was thinking that after sharpening I wipe all my blades down with a vegetable oil (Camellia or Jojoba) it's possible that if the blade bed and blade face are too closely aligned the bade could want to stick to the frog.

    Also, I know what you mean about differences between planes when it comes to ease of adjustment. The biggest variable I've found so far is the tightness, or otherwise, of the lever cap screw.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

    ian

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    ..... The biggest variable I've found so far is the tightness, or otherwise, of the lever cap screw.
    True, that makes a heck of a difference, but the plane I'm whinging about is tight with the cap screw set for what I consider the 'right' amount of lever cap pressure when cammed down. I suspect the problem lies with the cam and slot in the cap iron, but haven't checked it out thoroughly enough. The only time I think of it is when I sharpen the plane, which is always in the middle of a job, so I tell myself I'll do it later. Hah! Like tomorrow, 'later' never comes, does it? Some rainy afternoon when I have time on my hands I'll sit down with the best & the worst & compare each working part of the adjustment mechanism, then I'll try changing one bit at a time on the baddie, until it works like the goodie. If I'm successful, I'll have achieved two things: my stiff plane will work properly, and I'll have a much better understanding of what makes a Bailey adjuster work smoothly....

    Cheers,
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    Cohesion is the word that comes to mind when I think about what I've just been reading between you two.
    Van der Waal now that was completely new too me.But I'm suitably young enough to have google lol.
    IAN W is right, he must know my mother I don't have the patience to surface lap the frog and blade into a cohesive state(or maybe that's an idea).
    Ian with out the W.
    I did think straight away after reading your point about the blade sticking to the frog.
    Is that not the reason we have a world addicted to petroleum products.
    Would not a suitable light oil be a perfect medium between our two co habbitating parts.
    Now to throw a cat in with all this co adhesion is all this held down via just one centre point point only a big screw in the centre.!!.
    Yet we all know that the design has worked for hundred years plus so far.
    And worked reasonably well to boot.
    So who am I to mock it.

    Cheers Matt
    I won't mention I have a small surface gauge and dial indercator plus stand.
    Or I will never get a certain mr bloody saw finished.
    Wow that's a lot of big words for a simple guy.

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    my materials science subjects were a very long time ago but I think this sounds like stiction, a form of static friction. As the two surfaces are more highly polished, a greater area of the surfaces make contact and the static friction takes more force to overcome. it' happens with things sliding bearings or joints and the mating surfaces here sounds similar
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